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Jam – Self-Hosted Clubhouse\ (40 comments)

Wow, I just woke up to this. Glad to see Jam here on hn. We've come a long way since the initial release earlier this year (Show HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26131123).

Most of our efforts since february went into making the rooms more reliable which sounds simple but there are actually countless of different reasons for why audio might not work or not work as well as it could (switching from wifi to mobile data, microphone permissions, bandwidth problems, OS forces app into background, …) some are solvable others at least need to be documented and tracked.

What else is new other than reliability?:

# Support for large rooms (think: thousands of people in the audience) using an SFU

Initially Jam only had support for p2p rooms which is great for small rooms (up to like ~20 people depending on upstream bandwidth of the speakers) but for online conferences, meetups and so on you often need rooms that support 100s or 1000s of participants so we added an SFU where the speakers still send audio to each other p2p to keep conversations low-latency but we use a server to stream audio to all users that are in the audience.

(That said: you can still run Jam p2p-only if you prefer that)

# Locally recorded multi-track audio (think: podcasts with multiple guests, where you get one high quality audio track per speaker)

You can try multi-track audio recordings on our public beta server (https://beta.jam.systems). Tap on our own user and then "Start Podcast Recording". When you tap on your own user again and then "Stop Podcast Recording" the browser will prompt you with downloads for all audio tracks (we will make this more smooth going forward).

# Custom UI

For everyone who wants to add audio rooms to their own app but needs full control over the look and feel we have added an API and JavaScript library (and NPM package) so you can "build your own" ui for Jam. This basically means that Jam is running "headless" as an audio room server and makes sure audio works while you can build exactly the ui that you want.

E.g. let's say you have an app like Google Docs and you want to allow people to talk about a document. In this case you might want something that doesn't look like a room on Clubhouse or Twitter Spaces but rather like a line of avatars and with the API and library you can build this yourself now:

https://www.npmjs.com/package/jam-core

https://gitlab.com/jam-systems/jam/-/tree/master/ui/examples

# Managed hosting

For everyone who wants to use Jam but doesn't want to install and maintain Jam themselves we are run and support Jam for you (think: what Wordpress.com is to Wordpress.org):

https://jamshelf.com

I am working on an open source tool (Jam) that can be used to record podcasts with guests.

Not exactly the same, but if you want a audio-only Clubhouse clone, check Jam https://gitlab.com/jam-systems/jam

The main repo is over at Gitlab: https://gitlab.com/jam-systems/jam/ which also has the issue tracker (we could do a better job keeping that up to date though tbh).

most Docker-compose.yml files I come across, e.g. https://gitlab.com/jam-systems/jam/-/blob/master/deployment/docker-compose.yml or https://github.com/Chocobozzz/PeerTube/blob/develop/support/docker/production/docker-compose.yml propose the complete setup while some propose those and a slimmer version without a web servers or reverse proxy https://github.com/nextcloud/docker#base-version---fpm

I think the drop-in audio room is here to stay. It is a format.

hn is a text room. Similar to how Twitter is a text room. Similar yet different.

https://twitter.com/__tosh/status/1377587398973005827?s=20

I'm working on Jam which is an open source implementation of the drop-in audio room format, in many ways similar to Clubhouse or Twitter Spaces but also different (and more versatile).

Show HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26131123

https://gitlab.com/jam-systems/jam

I found Benedict Evens' take on Slack adding audio rooms and what it means for Clubhouse:

https://twitter.com/benedictevans/status/1377363658167050241...

Some things are so fundamental that it is difficult to say whether they were "invented" or "original". In some cases _discovered_ seems more fitting.

http://www.paulgraham.com/rootsoflisp.html

Why would you want yo use Clubhouse? You could use free, Open Source and privacy-respecting alterntives such as Jam (the closest to Clubhouse, can be self-hosted), Jitsi or Mumble...

For Jam (open source Clubhouse) we do a weekly “Jam Jam” which basically is an audio space that people can join (no video, no calendar slot negotiation, connecting with others who use the project).

We link to it in our readme

https://gitlab.com/jam-systems/jam

(can be improved)

I wonder if there is a better name for the concept that works for international audiences and people who don’t know the concept from academia.

For larger projects I can also imagine other formats like “show and tell” or “Q & A” where people submit questions (maybe even with donations or paid to create an income stream for the people working on the project)

Nice to see alternative clients already. Might also be cool to combine with Jam.

https://jam.systems/

https://gitlab.com/jam-systems/jam