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imba | Svelte | |
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45 | 634 | |
6,234 | 76,553 | |
0.2% | 0.7% | |
9.4 | 9.9 | |
5 days ago | 7 days ago | |
JavaScript | JavaScript | |
MIT License | MIT License |
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imba
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Ask HN: What are some unpopular technologies you wish people knew more about?
Imba. The best web programming language ever made.
https://imba.io/
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Portugal. The Man – Official Website Is a Google Sheets Document
I agree. I was looking for the same thing.
They’re not easy to create but side by side code/result demos like the ones I saw on https://imba.io/ make it very clear on what I’ll be getting into as a developer.
- Imba – The friendly full-stack language
- Clojure is a product design tool
- Fore – Declarative user interfaces in plain HTML
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Framework for a frontend-only project?
You might get away with Svelte (not Sveltekit) here since it compiles down to javascript. Another fun framework to try out for this might be https://imba.io/, which also has an option to compile things down to pure HTML, CSS & JS (plus it’s very fun to work with).
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Thoughts on Svelte
I've been using Svelte exclusively for the past 3 years or so. I love it and will keep using it as my main solution for interactivity. It's fast to use and execute, produces small apps, and it's extremely economical in how you express components.
The confusion the author expresses with $: reactive statements and store auto subscription with the $ are unwarranted IMO. It's really just a lack of familiarity but this kind of stuff becomes intuitive very quickly.
My criticism of Svelte is rather that they haven't gone deep enough into the compiler-based approach.
Would be great if there were something like .svelteStore files where you had all the automatic reactivity tracking without having to use a component. Or some kind of improvements into writing styles. With a compiler you can do anything you want and I think Svelte has been a bit timid, maybe to not scare people away.
For example Imba[1] also bet on a compiler-based approach (years before Svelte existed) and created their own language/framework/compiler. They have come up with amazing solutions to many problems. It's a shame they bet on Ruby aesthetics though and also that they aren't investing into marketing/docs.
Of course, one might argue that using a compiler is a bad idea for a number of reasons. And yeah of course there are objective issues to any approach, but you have to pick your poison. All in all, Svelte has made me tremendously productive compared to using other solutions for years (React, Vue, Mithril, Inferno, etc).
I will say though that I would rather use a solution that doesn't have any reactivity at all. Mithril and Imba have this concept of just "redrawing the whole thing" like a game GUI without having to worry about reactivity. Cognitively speaking, no reactivity is the best mental model IMO. With any reactive solution, it's very easy to fall into complex reactive dependencies which can be hard to track. The author of Imba has a video from 2018 where he talks about this[2].
[1] https://imba.io/
[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwoApTLvRdQ
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The Io Language
A code snippet showing a simple program right on the home page and "selling" whatever features makes it special would go a long way. It's quite off-putting to have to delve deep into a guide in order to get a feel for a language.
Some examples done right:
https://lfe.io
https://elixir-lang.org
https://imba.io
https://ocaml.org
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Why do so many CS grads seem to look down on webdev?
At the same time, my heart is kind of in the web stuff and I find it a lot more exciting personally so it's hard for me to leave. You can do so much more with web tech and all the new ideas Tcoming from it and the pace it's developing is really . I just don't understand why React is becoming the standard when it's a complete nightmare compared to where we should be. I mean, this is literally insane, especially when things like Svelte exist - or even better, Imba. The day Imba becomes the standard is the day I love web dev again.
Svelte
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My opinion about opinionated Prettier: 👎
the technical decision how Svelte should treat self-closing html elements was hindered by Prettier:
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Composable architecture example: Go headless (best practices)
Svelte
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How to optimise React Apps?
React has introduced measures like batching state updates, background concurrent rendering and memoization to tackle this. My opinion is that the best way to solve the problem is by improving their reactivity model. The app needs to be able to track the code that should be re-run on updating a given state variable and specifically update the UI corresponding to this update. Tools like solid.js and svelte work in this manner. It also eliminates the need for a virtual DOM and diffing.
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Episode 24/13: Native Signals, Details on Angular/Wiz, Alan Agius on the Angular CLI
Similarly to Promises/A+, this effort focuses on aligning the JavaScript ecosystem. If this alignment is successful, then a standard could emerge, based on that experience. Several framework authors are collaborating here on a common model which could back their reactivity core. The current draft is based on design input from the authors/maintainers of Angular, Bubble, Ember, FAST, MobX, Preact, Qwik, RxJS, Solid, Starbeam, Svelte, Vue, Wiz, and more…
- Rich Harris: Svelte parses HTML all wrong
- Mario meets Pareto: multi-objective optimization of Mario Kart builds
- Svelte parses HTML all wrong
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Svelte for Beginners: Easy Guide
Svelte is a powerful web framework that offers a fresh approach to building web applications. Its simplicity, reactivity model, and built-in features make it an excellent choice for developers looking to create efficient and maintainable applications. By following this guide, you should now have a good understanding of how to get started with Svelte and build your first components, routes, and transitions. You can read more about svelte on the official Svelte website.
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Trying to use dotnet watch with Svelte
Use .NET features (especially dotnet watch) as a setup for a client-side Svelte application, starting from a simple C# console app.
What are some alternatives?
js-framework-benchmark - A comparison of the performance of a few popular javascript frameworks
Alpine.js - A rugged, minimal framework for composing JavaScript behavior in your markup.
React - The library for web and native user interfaces.
lit - Lit is a simple library for building fast, lightweight web components.
Tailwind CSS - A utility-first CSS framework for rapid UI development.
solid - A declarative, efficient, and flexible JavaScript library for building user interfaces. [Moved to: https://github.com/solidui/solid]
svelte-preprocess - A ✨ magical ✨ Svelte preprocessor with sensible defaults and support for: PostCSS, SCSS, Less, Stylus, Coffeescript, TypeScript, Pug and much more.
qwik - Instant-loading web apps, without effort
coffeescript - Unfancy JavaScript
awesome-blazor - Resources for Blazor, a .NET web framework using C#/Razor and HTML that runs in the browser with WebAssembly.
htmx - </> htmx - high power tools for HTML
Next.js - The React Framework