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Mithril.js
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imba
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Ask HN: What are some unpopular technologies you wish people knew more about?
Imba. The best web programming language ever made.
https://imba.io/
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Portugal. The Man – Official Website Is a Google Sheets Document
I agree. I was looking for the same thing.
They’re not easy to create but side by side code/result demos like the ones I saw on https://imba.io/ make it very clear on what I’ll be getting into as a developer.
- Imba – The friendly full-stack language
- Clojure is a product design tool
- Fore – Declarative user interfaces in plain HTML
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Framework for a frontend-only project?
You might get away with Svelte (not Sveltekit) here since it compiles down to javascript. Another fun framework to try out for this might be https://imba.io/, which also has an option to compile things down to pure HTML, CSS & JS (plus it’s very fun to work with).
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Thoughts on Svelte
I've been using Svelte exclusively for the past 3 years or so. I love it and will keep using it as my main solution for interactivity. It's fast to use and execute, produces small apps, and it's extremely economical in how you express components.
The confusion the author expresses with $: reactive statements and store auto subscription with the $ are unwarranted IMO. It's really just a lack of familiarity but this kind of stuff becomes intuitive very quickly.
My criticism of Svelte is rather that they haven't gone deep enough into the compiler-based approach.
Would be great if there were something like .svelteStore files where you had all the automatic reactivity tracking without having to use a component. Or some kind of improvements into writing styles. With a compiler you can do anything you want and I think Svelte has been a bit timid, maybe to not scare people away.
For example Imba[1] also bet on a compiler-based approach (years before Svelte existed) and created their own language/framework/compiler. They have come up with amazing solutions to many problems. It's a shame they bet on Ruby aesthetics though and also that they aren't investing into marketing/docs.
Of course, one might argue that using a compiler is a bad idea for a number of reasons. And yeah of course there are objective issues to any approach, but you have to pick your poison. All in all, Svelte has made me tremendously productive compared to using other solutions for years (React, Vue, Mithril, Inferno, etc).
I will say though that I would rather use a solution that doesn't have any reactivity at all. Mithril and Imba have this concept of just "redrawing the whole thing" like a game GUI without having to worry about reactivity. Cognitively speaking, no reactivity is the best mental model IMO. With any reactive solution, it's very easy to fall into complex reactive dependencies which can be hard to track. The author of Imba has a video from 2018 where he talks about this[2].
[1] https://imba.io/
[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwoApTLvRdQ
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The Io Language
A code snippet showing a simple program right on the home page and "selling" whatever features makes it special would go a long way. It's quite off-putting to have to delve deep into a guide in order to get a feel for a language.
Some examples done right:
https://lfe.io
https://elixir-lang.org
https://imba.io
https://ocaml.org
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Why do so many CS grads seem to look down on webdev?
At the same time, my heart is kind of in the web stuff and I find it a lot more exciting personally so it's hard for me to leave. You can do so much more with web tech and all the new ideas Tcoming from it and the pace it's developing is really . I just don't understand why React is becoming the standard when it's a complete nightmare compared to where we should be. I mean, this is literally insane, especially when things like Svelte exist - or even better, Imba. The day Imba becomes the standard is the day I love web dev again.
Mithril.js
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Ask HN: I can no longer like React, do you?
I don’t enjoy React much, but (as I’ve commented before) I do love Mithril (https://mithril.js.org). Immediate-mode UI via a vDOM, like React, but small, simple, and with none of the reactivity complications. I’d never go back to building apps with pure JS.
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Mithril.js: A Modern Framework for JavaScript
You can find more information about Mithril.js on its official website.
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Ludic: New framework for Python with seamless Htmx support
The idea of nested function calls to build HTML is not new. Back in the hey-day of JS frameworks, this was a common vdom pattern. I kinda miss [MithrilJS](https://mithril.js.org/#dom-elements)
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No CMS? Writing Our Blog in React
I have mixed feelings about React. I like it better than jQuery, and better than other JS frameworks I’ve used.
But I much prefer Mithril (https://mithril.js.org/), which offers the same immediate-mode advantages (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19746235) but without the crazy complex dependency-tracking reactivity.
I rather liked this comment on React: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38640051
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VueJS turns 10 years old
Vue with Vite (the builder/runner) is a stable, open source option. It is really a lightweight start where you're mostly writing HTML with interpolated data, and Vue is updating values correctly and performantly. Just build your reactive HTML app in one file and break into separate components as you're feeling the spirit. https://vuejs.org/guide/quick-start
Mithril if you just want to drop in want a tiny, complete reactive library that doesn't require a build step--this one is most like what you might end up creating in a large jQuery app. You can understand everything from the homepage. https://mithril.js.org/
HTMX if you really like HTML conventions. This doesn't feel jQuery-like and depends on your approach to your server app. https://htmx.org/
- VanJS: A 0.9KB JavaScript UI framework
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HTMX for pages with heavy user interactivity
React is still has gratuitous complexity. If you need some React like, take a look at mithril which is simpler and much smaller.
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Lodash just declared issue bankruptcy and closed every issue and open PR
The submitter creating multiple var -> let PRs (one PR per file), was also doing this in other projects, and would've broken some of their users.
https://github.com/MithrilJS/mithril.js/pull/2880#pullreques...
And he created multiple PRs there too. And didn't follow their workflow...
- Produce HTML from S-Expressions
- Vanjs
What are some alternatives?
js-framework-benchmark - A comparison of the performance of a few popular javascript frameworks
Alpine.js - A rugged, minimal framework for composing JavaScript behavior in your markup.
React - The library for web and native user interfaces.
Preact - ⚛️ Fast 3kB React alternative with the same modern API. Components & Virtual DOM.
Tailwind CSS - A utility-first CSS framework for rapid UI development.
riot - Simple and elegant component-based UI library
svelte-preprocess - A ✨ magical ✨ Svelte preprocessor with sensible defaults and support for: PostCSS, SCSS, Less, Stylus, Coffeescript, TypeScript, Pug and much more.
inferno - :fire: An extremely fast, React-like JavaScript library for building modern user interfaces
coffeescript - Unfancy JavaScript
Vue.js - This is the repo for Vue 2. For Vue 3, go to https://github.com/vuejs/core
htmx - </> htmx - high power tools for HTML
Aurelia 1 - The Aurelia 1 framework entry point, bringing together all the required sub-modules of Aurelia.