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6,234 | 7,451 | |
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MIT License | BSD 3-clause "New" or "Revised" License |
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imba
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Ask HN: What are some unpopular technologies you wish people knew more about?
Imba. The best web programming language ever made.
https://imba.io/
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Portugal. The Man – Official Website Is a Google Sheets Document
I agree. I was looking for the same thing.
They’re not easy to create but side by side code/result demos like the ones I saw on https://imba.io/ make it very clear on what I’ll be getting into as a developer.
- Imba – The friendly full-stack language
- Clojure is a product design tool
- Fore – Declarative user interfaces in plain HTML
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Framework for a frontend-only project?
You might get away with Svelte (not Sveltekit) here since it compiles down to javascript. Another fun framework to try out for this might be https://imba.io/, which also has an option to compile things down to pure HTML, CSS & JS (plus it’s very fun to work with).
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Thoughts on Svelte
I've been using Svelte exclusively for the past 3 years or so. I love it and will keep using it as my main solution for interactivity. It's fast to use and execute, produces small apps, and it's extremely economical in how you express components.
The confusion the author expresses with $: reactive statements and store auto subscription with the $ are unwarranted IMO. It's really just a lack of familiarity but this kind of stuff becomes intuitive very quickly.
My criticism of Svelte is rather that they haven't gone deep enough into the compiler-based approach.
Would be great if there were something like .svelteStore files where you had all the automatic reactivity tracking without having to use a component. Or some kind of improvements into writing styles. With a compiler you can do anything you want and I think Svelte has been a bit timid, maybe to not scare people away.
For example Imba[1] also bet on a compiler-based approach (years before Svelte existed) and created their own language/framework/compiler. They have come up with amazing solutions to many problems. It's a shame they bet on Ruby aesthetics though and also that they aren't investing into marketing/docs.
Of course, one might argue that using a compiler is a bad idea for a number of reasons. And yeah of course there are objective issues to any approach, but you have to pick your poison. All in all, Svelte has made me tremendously productive compared to using other solutions for years (React, Vue, Mithril, Inferno, etc).
I will say though that I would rather use a solution that doesn't have any reactivity at all. Mithril and Imba have this concept of just "redrawing the whole thing" like a game GUI without having to worry about reactivity. Cognitively speaking, no reactivity is the best mental model IMO. With any reactive solution, it's very easy to fall into complex reactive dependencies which can be hard to track. The author of Imba has a video from 2018 where he talks about this[2].
[1] https://imba.io/
[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwoApTLvRdQ
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The Io Language
A code snippet showing a simple program right on the home page and "selling" whatever features makes it special would go a long way. It's quite off-putting to have to delve deep into a guide in order to get a feel for a language.
Some examples done right:
https://lfe.io
https://elixir-lang.org
https://imba.io
https://ocaml.org
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Why do so many CS grads seem to look down on webdev?
At the same time, my heart is kind of in the web stuff and I find it a lot more exciting personally so it's hard for me to leave. You can do so much more with web tech and all the new ideas Tcoming from it and the pace it's developing is really . I just don't understand why React is becoming the standard when it's a complete nightmare compared to where we should be. I mean, this is literally insane, especially when things like Svelte exist - or even better, Imba. The day Imba becomes the standard is the day I love web dev again.
Elm
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Ludic: New framework for Python with seamless Htmx support
Elm [1] is based on a similar idea. Build your app from pure functions that return HTML tags.
[1] https://elm-lang.org/
- Learning Elm by porting a medium-sized web front end from React (2019)
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Can you make your own JavaScript by implementing ECMAScript standard?
You also wouldn't really be creating your own new programing language. You would be creating something that can run JavaScript by following JavaScript standards and syntax. You might be able to add some non-standard features of your own on top of those standards, or include your own standard library of helpers or utilities, but you can't completely make a new or alternative language and then load it in the browser (or at least not by reimplementing ECMAScript standards... you actually can make your own language that runs within any Javascript enviroment, if you provide an interpreter or compiler that transforms it into valid JS. Some people have done something like this, eg Elm: https://elm-lang.org/).
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What is the best way to present the user the results of Haskell computations?
You should at least have a look at https://elm-lang.org/ it is a pure functional language like Haskell (although with fewer fancy syntax/type classes) but it has some lovely libraries for visualisation and even with plain elm (+ elm-ui) doing string transformations can be easily done.
- Course using F#: Write your own tiny programming system(s)
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Building React Components Using Unions in TypeScript
I get it. However, the whole point of using Unions to narrow your types, ensure only a set of possible scenarios can occur, and only access data of a particular union when it’s safe to do so. That’s some of what pattern matching can provide, and 100% of what using switch statements in TypeScript with their Discriminated Unions can provide. Yes, it’s not 100% exhaustive, but TypeScript is not soundly typed, and even Elm which is still has the same issue TypeScript does: You’re running in JavaScript where anything is possible. So it’s good enough to build with and much better than what you had.
- What's the state of the Elm repo? · Issue #2308 · elm/compiler
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How to render a basic calendar UI in Elm
The beauty of a language like Elm (and other lambda-calculus / functional programming inspired languages) is that there's very little transformation involved in going from an idea to code. And that seems to have a big impact on getting things done.
- Como desenvolvi um backend web em Clojure
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Is it possible to write games like Pac-Man in a functional language?
I think the most fun and approachable way for beginners to build games with functional programming is with Elm [1].
See a few (small, demo) games built by the community in [2] .
Notice Elm has abandoned the FRP approach in favor of Model-View-Update [3].
[1] https://elm-lang.org/
What are some alternatives?
js-framework-benchmark - A comparison of the performance of a few popular javascript frameworks
rescript-compiler - The compiler for ReScript.
React - The library for web and native user interfaces.
haskelm - Haskell to Elm translation using Template Haskell. Contains both a library and executable.
Tailwind CSS - A utility-first CSS framework for rapid UI development.
purescript - A strongly-typed language that compiles to JavaScript
svelte-preprocess - A ✨ magical ✨ Svelte preprocessor with sensible defaults and support for: PostCSS, SCSS, Less, Stylus, Coffeescript, TypeScript, Pug and much more.
yew - Rust / Wasm framework for creating reliable and efficient web applications
coffeescript - Unfancy JavaScript
idris - A Dependently Typed Functional Programming Language
htmx - </> htmx - high power tools for HTML
reflex - Interactive programs without callbacks or side-effects. Functional Reactive Programming (FRP) uses composable events and time-varying values to describe interactive systems as pure functions. Just like other pure functional code, functional reactive code is easier to get right on the first try, maintain, and reuse.