herbs-cli VS pushpin

> higher level paradigms, DSLs or a language that provides such capabilities out of the box for these reasons

Based on exactly this arguments that we created HerbsJS [1], a domain-first library to build microservices. While the essential complexity can't be removed [2], we should put effort to remove the accidental complexity as much as possible.

BTW, great to see this kind of discussion here and congratulations to the team responsible for Cell Lang.

[1] https://herbsjs.org/

Great article!

Given the absence of libs / frameworks to help in the domain part of the architecture, we created Herbs [1], where our proposal is to shift the focus of developing a microservice from the infrastructure (http, DB, logs, etc) to the domain , with an emphasis on use cases [2] and entities [3].

It may seem small but it changes a lot where you put energy into developing your software, especially maintaining it.

[1] https://herbsjs.org/

[2] https://herbsjs.org/docs/usecase/getting-started

[3] https://herbsjs.org/docs/entity/getting-started

Being productive while following the best software development practices has been one of the greatest challenges for developers. Today I can say that with HerbsJS this challenge becomes much friendlier.

Herbs CLI

For realtime, I used Pushpin with Server Sent Events. (It supports WebSocket as well).

Instead of letting clients directly interface with your services over websockets, consider using Pushpin [1], which allows you to completely isolate realtime communication from your services.

As a bonus, it also provides you the ability to cycle (redeploy/restart) your services without your clients having to reconnect (that's where the name comes from). And as you can imagine - because communication with your services is entirely stateless it scales like crazy.

[1] https://pushpin.org/

Vapor[0] based on Swift. Advantage of this is that you don't have to evaluate multiple frameworks for Swift and suffer paralysis by analysis. All the Swift community is behind one framework.

The next is Actix[1] based on Rust. There are many frameworks in Rust and most of them have not reached 1.0 And which framework will survive becomes a question.

Other not so well-known is Wt[2] based on C++. This actually is created for programmers who are not web developers. The development experience is similar to desktop app development like Qt.

If that is not acceptable then Django[3], based on Python, is the one that will be good for you.

For the front-end I would recommend Flutter[4]. As much as I dislike getting tied to a single company for whom the framework is not their bread-and-butter, I don't see any other viable options to Flutter that will cover all web, mobile and desktop out of the box.

For databases, I would recommend BedrockDB[5], if you are not averse to SQLite. Or FoundationDB[6], if you want NoSQL. But if you are not concerned about horizontal scalability or okay with self-managing database availability, then PostgreSQL[7] is a very good option.

For push notifications, PushPin[8] is a good option.

[0] https://vapor.codes

[1] https://actix.rs

[2] https://webtoolkit.eu

[3] https://www.djangoproject.com

[4] https://flutter.dev

[5] https://bedrockdb.com

[6] https://www.foundationdb.org

[7] https://postgresql.org

[8] https://pushpin.org

There is also the option of running a proxy which handles the stateful nature of websockets (i.e. https://pushpin.org/), and then handle the rest in a stateless way with lambdas or similar.

This may not be what you are looking for, but why not use a combination of Postgres listen/notify and PushPin[0] to support push notifications?

[0] https://pushpin.org

Could use pushpin[1] and have several fallbacks, like SSE -> Websocket -> polling.

[1]https://pushpin.org/