hello VS ravynos

Nitrux, or the FreeBSD derivative "Hello/System"

HelloSystem is an interesting design that is intended to be just the kind of interface you're wanting. The author is critical of modern user interface design and advocates the Macintosh interface. It's interesting stuff to consider. Hellosystem is based on FreeBSD and is not ready for users (and may eventually be a FreeBSD desktop, not a Linux distro).

Are you suggesting they should have chosen Wayland? I think they have a good argument against it:

"Wayland: Under development since a long time, it offers no clear advantage over Xorg while it makes things more complicated (e.g, breaks screen recording) --> Use Xorg instead, or (maybe even better) no X server at all but pure framebuffer (like *ELEC does for media centers). Also see https://gist.github.com/probonopd/9feb7c20257af5dd915e3a9f2d... "

https://github.com/helloSystem/hello/wiki/Welcome-and-unwelc...

> Custom Actions

> It is now possible to arrange custom actions in cascading submenus. Just enter the same submenu name for a custom action in order to place it into the same menu. If you require multiple menu levels, you can achieve that by using '/' in the path of the 'Submenu' entry.*

In 2012 KDE AppMenu Runner was presented as a "plugin which allows to browse, search and select the menubar of the active application".[0]

In 2019 I requested to somehow implement a feature, similar to Blender's "Menu Search"/"Operator Search"[1], into Olive Video Editor.[2]

After it "Action Search" was implemented into Olive Video Editor ('/') shortcut, its code was reused for "Action Search" in Scribus ('Ctrl+/') and then converted into Qt5-plugin.[3,4]

Year later, this Qt5-plugin code reused in for implementing global "Action Search" in helloSystem FreeBSD distribution.[5]

Then "Search and Run a Command" ('/') was added into GIMP.[6]

Guess, GIMP's implementation may be used for other GTK-based apps too (especially Inkscape, which still has no such feature).

[0] https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/02/appmenu-runner-the-kde-h...

[1] https://github.com/olive-editor/olive/issues/265

[2] https://docs.blender.org/manual/en/latest/interface/controls...

[3] https://github.com/scribusproject/scribus/issues/109

[4] https://github.com/aoloe/scribus-plugin-actionSearch

[5] https://github.com/helloSystem/hello/issues/21

[6] https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gimp/-/issues/5601

Hi A long time ago i saw an opreating system called ravyn os(it's name was airyx before) and i was impressed by how beautiful they made thier gui to look too similar to apple one's and when i get a bit deeper in thier the code i discovered that thier gui was made by using apple cocoa 😅https://github.com/ravynsoft/ravynos So here's my question could i make a gui library using opengl and make it look like apple cocoa 🤔 or it's not the thing that is made by API like opengl and is made by a ready gui library 🤔

Hi Since a bit longer i found an open source opreating system called ravyn os (it's name was airyx before but it changed now) and i was impressed by how the made thier gui which was too similar to apple cocoa gui but when i get a bit deeper in the gui code i found that they did it by using apple cocoa library 😅 https://github.com/ravynsoft/ravynos So here's my question how could i make an application using a library or even an opreating system that pop up a window with a good looking such as apple or even to design my own style for the window and should i use any API such as vulkan or opengl to make such a thing or this is unnecessary?

Here is the ravyn os https://github.com/ravynsoft/ravynos

My feelings about Mac OS X are similar to the author's. I switched from a Windows XP/FreeBSD dual boot configuration to Mac OS X Tiger back in 2006 when I bought my first modern Mac, a Core Duo MacBook. I've remained a Mac OS X user from Tiger all the way to Mojave. Mac OS X in the 2000s to me was heads-and-shoulders better than the competition. It had a well-designed user interface, and most applications conformed to the Apple Human Interface Guidelines. It also provided me a Unix shell whenever I needed it. In my opinion Mac OS X peaked at Snow Leopard; in fact, I'd be comfortable using Snow Leopard (or even Tiger) as my daily driver today if it supported current hardware and if there were a modern web browser for it. It was a nice marriage of NeXT technology and an updated version of the venerable Macintosh user interface. It felt much more pleasant than Windows of the era (though I admit I liked Windows 7), and the desktop environments for Linux and the BSDs simply didn't compare.

Then came the Tim Cook era, and with it came the gradual locking down of the Mac, both in terms of hardware (for example, the soldering of formerly upgradable components such as RAM and storage) and software (for example, notarization). The user interface also gradually started adopting more iOS influences, which I think take away from the desktop experience. Due to my disappointment with Apple's direction (especially since roughly 2016), I opted not to upgrade my aging 2013 MacBook Air and 2013 Mac Pro with new Macs, instead switching to a Microsoft Surface Pro (running Windows 10) and a custom Ryzen 3900X build (which runs both Windows 10 and FreeBSD). I miss macOS, but I enjoy the openness of PCs, and I enjoy the flexibility of Windows and FreeBSD.

I am keeping an eye on two very interesting projects that attempt to replicate the spirit of early Mac OS X: helloSystem (https://hellosystem.github.io/docs/) and airyxOS (https://airyx.org/). Both projects are based on a FreeBSD foundation, but the major difference between the projects is airyxOS is a much more ambitious attempt to reimplement macOS's infrastructure (even going as far as to aim for supporting "trivial" Cocoa applications), while helloSystem has different (Qt) underpinnings, with an emphasis on replicating the Mac OS X look-and-feel and promoting adherence to the Macintosh Human Interface Guidelines. If these projects become successful, this will provide people who desire the early Mac OS X experience modern systems that will maintain that experience.

As another commenter mentioned, AiryxOS is working on an API-compatible open-source implementation of many macOS Frameworks, however it is incomplete.

Our focus right now is on running FreeBSD and Linux applications. But the https://airyx.org/ project is aiming for source-level compatibility and eventually possibly even binary-level compatibility. If they succeed, maybe the improvements will flow back into FreeBSD and helloSystem one day.

> … Probably best to not try to make BSD into modern Linux which is basically FreeWindows. …

airyxOS, based on FreeBSD, aims to provide "… the finesse of macOS with the freedom of FreeBSD. …".

<https://airyx.org/>

I wish well to projects such as this, however I rarely engage – testing and feedback – because the focus on Apple keyboards is too much for me.

(I taught myself to use the keyboard in a very different way when I switched away from Apple after twenty-something years. I don't intend to un-learn that switch.)

0.5. Wait for airyxOS to be fully complete and run it. It is a freeBSD based system that aims to be compatible with MacOS.