greenwood VS vite

I have a project in called Greenwood that can probably help here if you're interested to check it out. Made to easily start with HTML (or markdown) and focused on web standards to make learning and development easy and familiar. Works great with Web Components and can even pre-render them! https://github.com/ProjectEvergreen/greenwood

Either is pretty easy to get started with and keep you nicely aligned with web standards if that's of interesting to you. I have a project that could help you work with either of those option you are so inclined, with the getting started guide of the website giving a brief overview of how to get started with native web components. https://www.greenwoodjs.io/

My project Greenwood might be able to help here, depending on what your current setup looks like. Inspired by the old HTML Includes spec, I created a plugin for replicating this sort of edge side include behavior.

I do, and that's a big part of why I started working on Greenwood. I wanted to always just be able to start from an index.html file, but also have some nice minimal glue like a dev server, file based routing, markdown, and leveraging Web Components for templating and SSR.

That's a big part of why I started working on Greenwood. I wanted to always just be able to start from an index.html file, but also have some nice minimal glue like dev server, file based routing, markdown, and even leveraging Web Components for templating and SSR. Loving learning even more about the web and so for that reason I like to think of it less as a framework, and instead as your full-stack workbench for the web! https://github.com/ProjectEvergreen/greenwood

I created my project Greenwood as a way to support web standards based development (e.g. not a meta framework) that can be as easy to start with as an index.html, or a markdown file, and can do most architectures; SPA / CSR, MPA, SSR. I like to think of it as your full-stack workbench for the web.https://github.com/ProjectEvergreen/greenwoodStill a WIP and continuing to improve our design and feature set, so feel to give it a try, and any and all feedback welcome! Check out our blog if your curious about what we've been up to in 2022, and there will be a post soon about our plans for 2023

Not sure if this would be of interest to you, but my project Greenwood let’s you start with just HTML / markdown and standard web dev to build out the rest, with a focus on supporting Web Components, even for SSR. https://www.greenwoodjs.io

I like to think of my project Greenwood not so much of a framework, for similar sentiments as what you describe, and have come to refer to it as a "workbench for the web"; emphasizing web standards based development (e.g. so not a meta framework) and has great support for Web Components. (full stack web components, ftw!) https://github.com/ProjectEvergreen/greenwood

My project Greenwood might be able to help. It supports web standards based development (e.g. not a meta framework) and has great support for Web Components. As easy to start as an index.html file or a markdown file, and can do most architectures; SPA / CSR, MPA, SSR. I like to think of it as your workbench for the web. https://github.com/ProjectEvergreen/greenwood Still a WIP and continuing to improve our design and feature set, so feel to give it a try, and any and all feedback welcome!

We are continuing to add new project templates for various types of projects, and we've recently created one for the infamous combination of React with Vite tooling.

Vite focuses on providing an extremely fast development server and workflow speed in web development. It uses its own ES module imports during development, speeding up the startup time.

Vite and Next.js are both top 5 modern development framework right now. They are both great depending on your use case so we’ll discuss 4 areas: Architecture, main features, developer experience and production readiness. After learning about these we’ll have a better idea of which one is best for your project.

import { defineConfig } from 'vite' import react from '@vitejs/plugin-react-swc' import path from 'path' // https://vitejs.dev/config/ export default defineConfig({ plugins: [react()], server: { port: 3000 }, css: { devSourcemap: true }, resolve: { alias: { '~': path.resolve(__dirname, './src') } } })

I am currently utilizing Vite:

Homepage: https://vitejs.dev/

Without any adding any dependencies you can connect react props to raw css at runtime with nothing but css variables (aka "custom properties"). If you add CSS modules on top you don't have to worry about affecting the global scope so components created in this way can be truly modular and transferrable. I use this with vite.

Little confused as to why it has vite in it‘s name, it seems unrelated to https://vitejs.dev/

it says in their docs that they recommend Vite https://vitejs.dev/

it goes like this.

1. you create a repo folder, you cd into it.

2. you create a client template using vite which can be plain typescript, or uses frameworks such as react or vue, at https://vitejs.dev/guide/

3. you cd in that client directory, you npm install, then you npm run dev, it should show you that it works at localhost:5173

4. you follow the instructions on your url, you do npm install @web3modal/wagmi @wagmi/core @wagmi/connectors viem

5. you follow the further instructions.

> It seems like this is for npm or yarn to pull from a remote repository maintained by @wagmi for instance. But then what?

you install the wagmi modules, then you import them in your js code, those code can run upon being loaded or upon user actions such as button clicks

> Do I just symlink to the node_modules directory somehow? Use browserify? Or these days I'd use webpack or whatever the cool kids are using these days?

no need for those. browserify is old school way of transpiling commonjs modules into browser-compatible modules. webpack is similar. vite replaces both webpack and browserify. vite also uses esbuild and swc under the hood which replaces babel.

> I totally get how node package management works ... for NODE. But all these client-side JS projects these days have docs that are clearly for the client-side but the ES2015 module examples they show seem to leave out all instructions for how to actually get the files there, as if it's obvious.

pretty much similar actually. except on client-side, you have src and dist folders. when you run "npm run build" vite will compile the src dir into dist dir. the outputs are the static files that you can serve with any http server such as npx serve, or caddy, or anything really.

> What gives? And finally, what exactly does "browserify" do these days, since I think Node supports both ES modules and and CJS modules? I also see sometimes UMD universal modules

vite supports both ecmascript modules and commonjs modules. but these days you'll just want to stick with ecmascript which makes your code consistently use import and export syntax, and you get the extra benefit of it working well with your vscode intellisense.

> In short, I'm a bit confused how to use package management properly with browsers in 2024: https://modern-web.dev/guides/going-buildless/es-modules/

if people want plain js there is unpkg.com and esm.sh way, but the vite route is the best for you as it's recommended and tested by the providers of your modules.

> And finally, if you answer this, can you spare a word about typescript? Do we still need to use Babel and Webpack together to transpile it to JS, and minify and tree-shake, or what?

I recommend typescript, as it gives you better type-safety and better intellisense, but it really depends. If you're new to it, it can slow you down at first. But as your project grows you'll eventually see the value of it. In vite there are options to scaffold your project in pure js or ts.

First you have to know that all those react projects are created using Vite, and for each of them, you need change the vite.config.ts file by adding the following configuration: