umbrella VS web_app_from_scratch

If you are mainly using jquery for its DOM manipulation¹ rather than for browser compatibility² or things that didn't exist consistently in older browsers³ then there are much smaller libraries that do that job which may be worth looking into. https://github.com/fabiospampinato/cash or https://github.com/franciscop/umbrella to give a couple of examples. Some explicitly support IE11 so you are not dropping as much support for legacy browsers as you might otherwise.

Though if jQuery works for you and isn't a performance issue, then by all means keep with it. It may not be ideal, but good enough and does the job. Let the naysayers spend their time debating whether you should or not, and just get on with making things!

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[1] selection engine, chained selections, chained modifications, …

[2] not the issue it once was, if you can abandon IE and old Android browsers from your supported UAs or can deal with any issues that crop up individually

[3] again, if you can afford to drop support for legacy UAs

Yes, and if you continue long enough you end up with one of the many jQuery alternatives, like mine:

https://umbrellajs.com/

If you're learning React just to get a job, you're doing it wrong, since recruiters are always changing their requirements. They will add `proficient in Svelte` just to annoy you, (after having learning React) and now you're no longer relevant to them.

That's why I say: stick to the baseline of HTML, CSS, & JS. Learn to write vanilla JS for common things, maybe learn UmbrellaJS[0] for syntactic sugar and manipulating the DOM.

Oh and learn some APIs to do back-end stuff too. And for forms, there's loads of projects out there to automate that[1]

[0] https://umbrellajs.com/

[1] https://www.producthunt.com/search?q=forms

const insertAfter = (col, html) => col.forEach(el => el.insertAdjacentElement('afterend', html));

Keep going a bit like that, until you realize you are basically reinventing jQuery. Add a couple of very nice-to-haves, like chaining (instead of nesting in these examples above) and that's exactly what Umbrella JS is, very thin methods to manipulate the DOM and handle events. In fact, compare our "addClass" implementation in this comment to [Umbrella's addClass](https://github.com/franciscop/umbrella/blob/master/src/plugi...), it's almost the same size but hundred times more flexible:

// Add class(es) to the matched nodes

How do you mean Django is heavy? When I think about heavy, I think about how hard it would be to replace the framework with my own code in the future. So I don't like magic. Both, Django and Flask seem to have a similar amount of magic to me. But I might be wrong. I tried Flask only very briefly.

Me and other devs maintain this repo which shows how to get from a fresh Debian install to a running web app via different frameworks:

https://github.com/no-gravity/web_app_from_scratch

As you can see, it also has a Flask version.

Contributions are welcome!

Why using python3-django on debian instead of a venv and the last lts of django from pypi on your script[0] ?

[0]: https://github.com/no-gravity/web_app_from_scratch/blob/main...

I am building an open source web framework comparison.

The idea is to put together a project that gives an overview of how to set up a minimal viable web application from scratch via all the different frameworks.

For each framework the project features a self explanatory shell script that builds a web app with routing, templates and user accounts. So there is no ambiguity of how to reproduce the results. And it is even possible to just copy&paste the steps into a docker container and see the framework in action.

So if you want to compare how the frameworks do templating, you can look at the "Let's use templates" part and have a quick overview of how it is done in Django, Laravel, Flask, Symfony, NextJS...

So far, 5 developer joined and contributed.

Here is the repo:

https://github.com/no-gravity/web_app_from_scratch

I am building an open source web framework comparison.

The idea is to put together a project that gives an overview of how to set up a minimal viable web application from scratch via all the different frameworks.

For each framework the project features a self explanatory shell script. So there is no ambiguity of how to reproduce the results. And it is even possible to just copy&paste the steps into a docker container and see the framework in action.

The shell script for each repo starts from scratch and builds a web app with routing, templates and user accounts.

Here is the repo:

https://github.com/no-gravity/web_app_from_scratch

So if you want to compare how do you use a template, you can look at the "Let's use templates" part and have a quick overview of how it is done in Django, Laravel, Flask, Symfony, NextJS...

So far, I wrote the beginning of the Django script and two developers contributed Laravel and Symfony scripts. So far we have routing and templates. All three still need user accounts.

If you are experienced in a web framework, feel free to add to one of the scripts or a new one and send a pull request!