flutter-embedded-linux VS TiddlyWiki

You can just write a swift wrapper over FlutterDesktopMessenger but you'll also need to write message codec implementation in swift.

I'm curious which operating systems people are still waiting for. We have delivered Windows, macOS and Linux on stable as of Flutter 3. We don't have plans to add more, but people in the community are working on things like embedded Linux: https://github.com/sony/flutter-embedded-linux

Disclosure: I'm a Developer Relations Engineer for Flutter

Oh that sucks. Yeah Qt has gotten really aggressive with their licensing headaches. They broke so many of our CI scripts when they made it mandatory for you to log in to use their Qt installer even for online version.

And yep. Relying on just Google can be a death sentence. I was hoping to use Android things for a quick demo last month only to find out that it is discontinued. What made me look at flutter was because companies like Sony are driving forward it's development on embedded space ( https://github.com/sony/flutter-embedded-linux ). Tbh I am still looking for something that was as nice as QtQuick on embedded devices, but with a permissive license.

So other than electron, what options do you see moving forward? All i see is slint ( https://github.com/slint-ui/slint/ ).

In no particular order:

- The type system was essentially like java but perhaps even worse -- in a world with Rust, Haskell, Julia, Kotlin, Scala, and even Golang this seemed egregious. No algebraic data types, inheritance, nullable values, lack of errors-as-values approach. I know they worked hard on the language, but it's like they ignored all the progress in PL over the last like decade+.

- JSON serialization/deserialization[1] was like the worst parts of Go and the worst parts of Java (again this has to

- SQLite driver[0] couldn't be used off device. I found this out while trying to write tests that ran off-device. Now there's sqlite3[1] so maybe it's no longer an issue

- Dart2 was a played down rewrite of Dart1, with JS interop removed. Typescript is a better language than Dart.

- BloC is overcomplicated and was rolled out poorly at the time (this has more to do with Flutter than Dart). The state management patterns felt like unbaked react (flux pattern) v1.

All this said, Dart will probably be around for a very long time. Fuschia makes a LOT of sense for Google to continue pursuing, which uses Flutter. Dart could be worse, and I think it's good enough for a bunch of usecases. If it were me, I wouldn't even choose it over Nativescript.

The Boring Flutter Development Show[3] was/is fantastic, I watched it religiously when I was learning and trying out Flutter -- having a big backer like google means there are always going to be dedicated resources and smart people behind Flutter which honestly probably matters more in the long run than Dart being a shit language. As Golang has shown us, you can just iterate to having a good language.

Seeing Sony embrace flutter for embedded things is pretty big as well[4]. Sony has a surprisingly strong track record of making technologically competent products:

- PS Vita (generally regarded as ahead of it's time)

- Sony SmartWatch 1 & 2 (I owned both, they were ahead of their time, and were very good quality, easily hackable)

- Sony XPeria phones & tablets (embraced open source and easy bootloader unlock, I own a tablet that I'm extremely happy with)

[0]: https://pub.dev/packages/sqflite

[1]: https://pub.dev/packages/json_serializable

[2]: https://pub.dev/packages/sqlite3

[3]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXAUNLWdTcw&list=PLjxrf2q8ro...

[4]: https://github.com/sony/flutter-embedded-linux

> What does ownership mean here?

It means owning the code and the data. With webapps, the code and data are hosted and owned, the users do not own the code, cannot run it independently. This is a clear dileneation between owner and user, and the owners can use that clear line to create artificial scarcity of various kinds. (The most popular being the subscription SaaS model). It's also easier to defend your IP since end users never see your binaries.

I like to make my software single html files whenever possible. People can just save them and run them locally. Havent met anyone who cares yet though.

I like that idea a lot, and I care. I think others care, but yes, it's a niche interest. Take a look at https://tiddlywiki.com/ for an example of a fairly successful project that uses the single html format running locally. However it suffers from limitations on File|Save which often requires a separate runtime of some kind to support.

Another project that approaches this ideal is https://redbean.dev/, @jart's tiny, performant, featureful single-file webserver. In this case the "single file" is a server executable + zip whose state must be updated on the command-line, but I think hits a sweet spot in terms of practicality, and a global minima when it comes to minimizing dependencies. (Redbean bundles SQLite and Lua so it's also possible to do through-the-web state updates as in a traditional webapp.)

My own project, Simpatico, aspires to be something along these lines. Eventually your browser tab is both a client and server process, connecting via websockets to other connected browsers, storing all state locally. I call this pattern "monomorphism", a play on the "isomorphic" javascript SPA. The server[2] is currently written in ~1 node file, but eventually I would like to port to redbean (and greenbean, the websocket version of redbean, but it isn't quite ready yet). The server grew several features to support a fast, practical BTD loop using markdown[1], and safe, performant execution on the public internet[2], but ultimately I'd like to pare it down to serving a single html file and allow the connected clients to provide all diversity of experience. I've used it to explore all kinds of browser apis, from crypto[3] to svg[4] to writing my own libraries (combine[4] and stree[5]). And it's all running locally, and easily hosted on a $5 VPS, and its all open source.

1 - https://simpatico.io/lit.md

2 - https://simpatico.io/reflector

3 - https://simpatico.io/crypto

4 - https://simpatico.io/combine

5 - https://simpatico.io/stree

I use TiddlyWiki. It's a portable editable wiki that doesn't require a web server or web hosting. You open it from your computer, edit it, and save it. You get all of the linking that you'd expect to see in a wiki, and it's super readable and easy to use.

It is a single-HTML-file TiddlyWiki instance that runs in a web browser (offline as well as online), meant to be downloaded and stored wherever suits you best. Everything that you see when working in BASIC Anywhere Machine (everything that makes "BAM" work as an IDE and all BASIC programs) exist in the one HTML file.

TiddlyWiki still works as intended: https://tiddlywiki.com/#GettingStarted but there are so many different clients to run on. Mobile or Desktop ? What OS? What Browser?

This effort https://val.packett.cool/blog/tiddlypwa/ is remarkable as the mobile side of saving is not as robust as on the desktop side of things and there is a scaling limit on performance as the number of tiddlers grows. Also the syncing between tw documents between different desktop/mobile clients can be a challenge with diffing.

Since then I've moved back to plain vanilla vim for a wiki (map gf :tabe ) but tw.html is still good for data other than plain text and TiddlyPWA https://tiddly.packett.cool/ is a great effort to revisit TiddlyWiki again.

You should check out TiddlyWiki as it’s designed around the concept that small linkable notes are the best way to organize.

https://tiddlywiki.com/

It’s html based so you can access it in the same way you would access a website but it can be locally stored. Saving is a bit tricky but there are multiple solutions detailed on their site. https://tiddlywiki.com/

Hi, you can use tw on nodejs with npm package tiddlywiki....