elasticsearch-py VS Toshi

FD: I have a friend who works at Elastic, though he doesn't really colour my opinions of things.

> Firstly, dick moves like this: https://github.com/elastic/elasticsearch-py/pull/1623

I understand that this is unpopular, but you can make a very strong argument that it's to prevent weird errors in the future. I'm also guilty of littering my code with Asserts to ensure the universe is working fine.

The alternative is to allow it to work and then you end up with weird issues like when you connect mysql client to mariadb server (and vice-versa): https://stackoverflow.com/questions/50169576/mysql-8-0-11-er...

> Secondly, I don't buy the argument from Elastic any more. Yes, the ethical thing to do when you're making money from someone's work is at least contribute back. At the same time though, they're making money from packaging it up and selling it _as a service_. That "as a service" part is where they're making the bucks.

That's just an opinion, yes they have a service, and yes it competes with Amazon. Is it cool for Amazon to take a body of work and sell it without supporting it? Are amazon actually supporting it? Is it the same as Elastic using Lucene? (not really because Elastic submits a the majority of fixes to Lucene, but, you get it).

it's kinda gray, I'm sure Amazon thinks they're the good guy, but it's hard for me to look at Elastic as the bad guy in all this.

Oh man, https://github.com/elastic/elasticsearch-py/issues/1734 is a disappointing read. I know ES wants to save their business, but alienating users isn't exactly the path to success.

I don't think you have an active project that addresses all those use cases. There was an attempt in Rust with Toshi that is built on top of tantivy, but the project seems to have stalled.

I wish we had an extension like ZomboDB but using a lighter search engine like https://github.com/quickwit-oss/quickwit, https://github.com/toshi-search/Toshi and https://github.com/mosuka/bayard

Here I'm listing engines based on https://github.com/quickwit-oss/tantivy - tantivy is comparable to Lucene in its scope - but I'm sure there are other engines that could tackle ElasticSearch.

Another thing that could happen is maybe directly embed tantivy in Postgres using an extension, perhaps this could be an option too.

I do something similar, though I index the page myself via a little browser extension I wrote. I click a button, the content gets POSTed to a server that throws it in Toshi[1]. I hacked it together on a Saturday, and it's been pretty handy; as you describe, much more useful than any bookmarking approach I've tried before.

[1] https://github.com/toshi-search/Toshi

There is some incredible work being done in the web department, frameworks like rocket.rs and actix.rs are amazing. To get the latest info on web development in Rust, check arewewebyet.org. It doesn't list Toshi though, which is weird.