plane VS Centrifugo

One reason I'm excited about this is that it appears to let you write arbitrary routing logic into a layer 7 proxy. This is something we had to build for https://plane.dev and it would have been nicer to use something like this, but we couldn't find anything like it at the time.

Of course, as a user, I would prefer as much as possible to be under MIT or Apache. See for instance https://plane.dev/ for a similar project which is MIT licensed and https://jamsocket.com/ for the commercial version.

From an earlier blog post[1], the system for synchronizing file/document state lives independently for their database. As I understand it, their database is for metadata rather than actual document content.

> It’s worth noting that we only use multiplayer for syncing changes to Figma documents. We also sync changes to a lot of other data (comments, users, teams, projects, etc.) but that is stored in Postgres, not our multiplayer system, and is synced with clients using a completely separate system that won’t be discussed in this article. Although these two systems are similar, they have separate implementations because of different tradeoffs around certain properties such as performance, offline availability, and security.

This post[2] goes into more detail on how they spin up backend processes to serve as the source of truth while documents are open (we took heavy inspiration from it when building https://plane.dev, which aims to be an open-source implementation of that architecture.)

[1] https://www.figma.com/blog/how-figmas-multiplayer-technology...

We have been happily using Depot for months now to build https://plane.dev. Prior to finding Depot, we basically gave up on building an M1 image from a GitHub action.

(btw, I always get suspicious when a Show HN post has a lot of praise in the comments, but I swear the Depot folks did not ask me to post anything and I only saw the post because I was checking HN)

Congrats on the launch!

We've been using Depot with Plane (https://plane.dev/). Prior to depot, I had to disable arm64 builds because they slowed the build down so much (30m+) on GitHub's machines. With Depot, we get arm64 and amd64 images in ~2m.

Hello, I am author of https://github.com/centrifugal/centrifugo. Our users can choose from WebSocket, EventSource, WebTransport (experimental stabilize in the future). WebRTC is out of scope as the main purpose is central server based real-time json/binary messaging, and WebRTC makes things much more complex since it shines for peer-to-peer and rich media communications.

What I'd like to add is that Centrifugo also supports HTTP-streaming – not mentioned by the OP – but this is a transport which has advantages over Eventsource - like possibility to send POST body on initial request from web browser (with SSE you can not), it supports binary, and with Readable Streams browser API it's widely supported by modern browsers.

Another thing I'd like to mention about Centrifugo - it supports bidirectional WebSocket fallbacks with EventSource and HTTP-streaming, and does this without sticky sessions requirement. I guess nobody else have this at this point. See https://centrifugal.dev/blog/2022/07/19/centrifugo-v4-releas.... Which solves one more practical concern. Sticky sessions is an optimization in Centrifugo case, not a requirement.

If you are interested in topic, we also have a post about WebSocket scalability - https://centrifugal.dev/blog/2020/11/12/scaling-websocket - it covers some design decisions made in Centrifugo.

Check out https://github.com/centrifugal/centrifugo - it was initially designed to be a standalone language-agnostic real-time messaging server. So it may be used with Django without radical change in the existing application and using ASGI. It can also provide a much better performance if you care about it.

https://github.com/centrifugal/centrifugo

It's a complete solution, including server, admin panel and client library.

We're an European company and use OVH, Hetzner and others.

Hello! Theoretically you can take a look at https://github.com/centrifugal/centrifugo - which is a standalone self-hosted real-time messaging server. It does not have native support for Laravel and not compatible with Pusher protocol, though integrating with any backend system, including Laravel: see the blog post https://centrifugal.dev/blog/2021/12/14/laravel-multi-room-chat-tutorial, also has some helper packages:

Hello, it's also possible to design an app in a way that its core will be built with Python, but WebSocket part delegated to something external and efficient like https://github.com/centrifugal/centrifugo – the benefit of the approach is that application business logic is completely decoupled from the real-time transport layer. This may lead to a scalable design with graceful degradation. I think this is especially useful when you already have backend built with Django and need to handle millions of concurrent connections.

Centrifugo https://centrifugal.dev/ https://github.com/centrifugal/centrifugo