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A Response to "Have Single-Page Apps Ruined the Web?"
in plain htmx, you can target an area that doesn't disrupt a playing video (e.g. the comments box appending to the comments) or you can use a morphing algorithm that disrupts the DOM less.
i have my own morphing algorithm (and a corresponding htmx plugin that allows you to use it) called idiomorph:
https://github.com/bigskysoftware/idiomorph/
i've also been working with the chrome team to get a feature added they are calling "atomic moves":
https://github.com/whatwg/dom/issues/1255
this would allow us to move elements around in the DOM without losing things like play state or focus or whatever
very excited for this last idea, I think it will be a huge boon for the web in general, not just for htmx
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HTML Attributes vs. DOM Properties
What I said in my previous comment is observably true. Try making a demo where it isn't.
> A DOM node is a living mutable thing, but the JavaScript object representing that node is not.
The JavaScript object is mutable. The first example in the article shows this.
> That is also why a node list is not an array.
Modern APIs on the web return platform arrays (eg JavaScript arrays). https://webidl.spec.whatwg.org/#js-sequence - here's where the WebIDL spec specifies how to convert a sequence to a JavaScript array.
I'm fully aware of NodeList. There's a reason the spec calls them "old-style" https://dom.spec.whatwg.org/#old-style-collections
> I can understand how this is confusing if you have never operated without a framework, but otherwise it’s really straightforward
Sighhhhhh. I've been a web developer for over 20 years, and spent a decade on the Chrome team working on web platform features. Most of my career has been on the low-level parts of the platform.
Could it be possible that people are disagreeing with you, not because they're stupid, but because you're in the wrong? Please try to be open minded. Try creating some demos that test your opinions.
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Using XPath in 2023
Domenic Denicola (the man who ruined promises) probably will as well.
https://github.com/whatwg/dom/issues/67
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Which browser do you recommend, one for personal security-focused use and one for work?
I'm pretty sure it is, since I get "TypeError: nodes[i].parentNode.href is undefined" and "TypeError: $mainmenu.parent(...).get(...) is undefined" errors on both Pale Moon and LibreWolf. Which is part of Shadow/DOM, and originated from google (https://hacks.mozilla.org/2015/06/the-state-of-web-components/). Not sure when this particular thing was introduced, since it's a "living standard"/experimental feature (https://dom.spec.whatwg.org/).
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That people produce HTML with string templates is telling us something
JSX chose to align names to the DOM spec [0]. Same for htmlFor and friends.
[0] https://dom.spec.whatwg.org/#ref-for-dom-element-classname%E...
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Notback BETA - A new PHP frontend framework
You can see why I say this here: https://dom.spec.whatwg.org
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Understanding the Benefits of "Quirky" Web Languages
The product logos in this article's cover image include different languages and technologies some of which are still relevant for web development today: HTML, CSS, JavaScript / ES / TypeScript (and the DOM), SVG, PDF, PHP, SQL (mySQL, MariaDB), mongoDB, Node.js (the most successful server-side implementation of JavaScript so far).
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Declarative Shadow DOM
Thanks for the shout-out! I think I mention this in the talk, but note that YMMV. I designed that benchmark as a kind of "worst-case scenario" where shadow DOM / scoped styles really show a benefit. Depending on your CSS rules, DOM size, and amount of thrashing, the perf benefit could be small to large.
Also, it's still possible to shoot yourself in the foot, especially if you have a large/complex stylesheet repeated across multiple shadow roots. (Not because of the repetition – that's optimized in browsers [1] – but rather because of the number of DOM nodes affected.)
That said, I still think the perf benefits of shadow DOM have been undersung. And Declarative Shadow DOM makes it way more useful.
[1]: https://github.com/whatwg/dom/issues/831#issuecomment-585489...
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HTML DOM ️loves Javascript! 💕 #TLA 😘
We luh-luh-luv you! They gestated and nurtured the spec. They fought over bike sheds! All for us!!
- AI Found a Bug in My Code
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Writing HTML by Hand
Not equivalent, but arguably more useful for manual authoring: Emmet [0] was all the range a while back, and I still use it to write HTML. It comes naturally if you're used to writing CSS-like selectors, and mostly gets out of the way.
DSL-wise, I've rather enjoyed Clojure's Hiccup [1].
[0] https://emmet.io/
[1] https://github.com/weavejester/hiccup
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A History of Clojure (2020) [pdf]
* Single-Page App: shadow-cljs for the build concerns (https://github.com/thheller/shadow-cljs), Reagent with Re-frame for complex/large app (https://reagent-project.github.io and https://github.com/day8/re-frame). Even if we now prefer using HTMX (https://htmx.org) and server-side rendering (Hiccup way of manipulating HTML is just amazing, https://github.com/weavejester/hiccup).
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Clojure Bites - Render HTML, introducing selmer template library
I'd prefer hiccup.
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That people produce HTML with string templates is telling us something
That is why I like Hiccup/ Clojure so much: https://github.com/weavejester/hiccup It is very natural to produce something resembling a document in pure Clojure data structures and then just convert it to valid HTML. I think, Reagent has some hiccup extensions that are nice like writing the class or id with a . or # notation right in the keyword describing the tag. So there probably still is some space to improve the ergonomics and probably performance. Concatenating strings still wins performance wise by a lot.
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Building a website like it's 1999... in 2022
Clojure people have been doing this for a decade or so. It’s really so much better to work with. All started with Hiccup and when React came along you got Reagent and many more developments building on the idea.
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Rux: A JSX-inspired way to render view components in Ruby
You’re halfway to Clojure’s hiccup syntax[1] there.
[1]: https://github.com/weavejester/hiccup/blob/master/doc/syntax...
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I taught the chat bot an alternative syntax for HTML, called HBML, basically just braces instead of tags... we are so screwed
That, or Hiccup.
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[how to] Generate server-side HTML
I'm about to learn PureScript, coming from a functional TypeScript, Clojure and Elm background. To get a first taste for the language I thought I'd rewrite my Clojure test-app which generates static HTML files from JSON input using the (hiccup templating library)[https://github.com/weavejester/hiccup]. Is there some similar library in PureScript which would provide functions to create an HTML document and its content? I could not find anything when searching pursuit, but I might be just be using the correct search terms.
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what web framework do you use?
In Clojure thing are much more decentralised. We tend to use basic data structures along with data DSLs like Hiccup to build our software since this is the simplest way to convey meaning while retaining structure to perform additional data transformations.
- Hiccup: Fast library for rendering HTML in Clojure
What are some alternatives?
hyperHTML - A Fast & Light Virtual DOM Alternative
Selmer - A fast, Django inspired template system in Clojure.
extension-manager - A utility for browsing and installing GNOME Shell Extensions.
reitit - A fast data-driven routing library for Clojure/Script
brutal - 🏢 An operating system inspired by brutalist design that combines the ideals of UNIX from the 1970s with modern technology and engineering
biff - A Clojure web framework for solo developers.
IntersectionObserver - Intersection Observer
re-frame - A ClojureScript framework for building user interfaces, leveraging React
Isotope - :revolving_hearts: Filter & sort magical layouts
clojure - Various Clojure exercises, utilities and demos.
WHATWG HTML Standard - HTML Standard
colisper - Check and transform Lisp code with Comby (beta)