deploy_feedback VS Next.js

Hey all, Andy from the Deno team here. We're excited to share with you Deno Subhosting, an easy way to extend your platforms functionality by securely running untrusted JavaScript written by your users.

When we first launched [Deno Deploy](https://deno.com/deploy) in 2021, we were surprised at the volume of requests from companies about getting access to the APIs needed to run Deno Deploy. Many companies wanted to give their users the ability to write custom logic in their app, but setting this up in the cloud presents security concerns and a ton of infra work/maintenance.

We realized that there was an opportunity for Subhosting to solve a larger problem, which is allowing companies to easily and securely run custom code written by their users, without the hassle of maintaining said infrastructure.

Though we do have a few subhosting customers (Netlify being one of them), this launch makes our Subhosting product self-service, so any development team interested in extending their platform via their users' custom code can do so by [signing up](http://dash.deno.com/subhosting/new_auto) and [reading our docs](https://docs.deno.com/deploy/manual/subhosting). We have [an updated pricing model for Subhosting](https://deno.com/deploy/pricing?subhosting) as well, including a generous free tier fit for kicking the tires and building a proof-of-concept.

We'd love to get your feed back. Have you ever talked to your co-workers about allowing external devs to "have at it" with your platform? What would it look like to unlock the final 10% for your top customers? How have you approached this problem in the past?

Thanks for reading and the Deno team will be responding to comments!

[Read the announcement blog post.](https://deno.com/blog/subhosting)

That means we don’t need to transpile the Typescript code to ESM or CJS. Currently, only Deno Deploy can run your Typescript function out of the box. However, in order to keep the code small, we still need some sort of bundling. Luckily, Bun is also a bundler 😉

What type of apps do you code for your day-job? (I program for fun and curiosity, so that is why I ask that lame question.)

Do you use node.js? Deno is brought in part by the Node.js creator, Ryan Dahl, who wanted to fix/improve a lot of things he didn't like in node.js.

They also have "Deno Deploy" (with a free tier) to run your code on different servers scattered throughout the globe: https://deno.com/deploy

One of the reasons I love the `deno` executable is you can use `import` statements in your code and then tell `deno` to merge everything into a single .js file. I would then take that and publish it to Cloudflare Workers. I know you can do this with node.js and a bunch of tools, but it is so much simpler with `deno`.

The online version of DocTrack is hosted through Deno Deploy and is accessible here.

It runs on https://deno.com/deploy which runs on gcp at the moment but my understanding is that the underlying cloud provider could change at any time.

For deployment Deno offers it's own service, Deno Deploy:

https://deno.com/deploy

Disclaimer: Haven't used it yet.

Deno functions. Its different than docker containers that auto scale. https://deno.com/deploy

One of the biggest annoyances with Deno deploy/functions is that there is no way to store any data. This would be very useful to e.g. cache an auth token, store a key/value pair, etc. See also: https://github.com/denoland/deploy_feedback/issues/110

Is any work being done to fix this? Or is this out of scope currently?

One of the valuable features of Solid Start is that you can use so-called "adapters" to completely change the output into something deployable basically everywhere that serves pages and with quite a lot of options: there are adapters for amazon web services, cloudflare pages and workers, deno deploy, netlify, standard node server (the default), vercel, and static deployment - the latter allows us to build something that we can put on github pages.

https://github.com/vercel/next.js/discussions/27666 One of them said 'renaming folder to uppercase' might cause trouble. git might not recognize case-sensetive changes by default.

Next.js has long cemented itself as one of the front runners in the web framework world for JavaScript/TypeScript projects so we’re going to be using that. More specifically we’re going to be using V14 of Next.js which allows us to use some exciting new features like Server Actions and the App Router.

Web frameworks like Next.js will usually include this feature, but do check that they set the caching headers correctly!

Vite and Next.js are both top 5 modern development framework right now. They are both great depending on your use case so we’ll discuss 4 areas: Architecture, main features, developer experience and production readiness. After learning about these we’ll have a better idea of which one is best for your project.

> It’s important to be aware of what you are getting if you go with React, and what you are getting is a far cry from what a framework would offer, with all the corresponding pros and cons.

Would you like to elaborate on that?

In my experience, with something as great, size/ecosystem-wise as React, there will almost always be at least one "mainstream" package for whatever you might want to do with it, that integrates pretty well. Where a lot of things might come out of the box with a framework, with a library I often find myself just needing to install the "right" package, and from there it's pretty much the same.

For example, using https://angular.io/guide/i18n-overview or installing and using https://react.i18next.com/

Or something like https://angular.io/guide/form-validation out of the box, vs installing and using https://formik.org/

Or perhaps https://angular.io/guide/router vs https://reactrouter.com/en/main

Even adding something that's not there out of the box is pretty much the same, like https://primeng.org/ or https://primereact.org/

React will typically have more fragmentation and therefore also choice, but I don't see those two experiences as that different. Updates and version management/supply chain will inevitably be more of a mess with the library, admittedly.

Now, projects like Next https://nextjs.org/ exist and add what some might regard as the missing pieces and work well if you want something opinionated and with lots of features out of the box, but a lot of those features (like SSR) are actually pretty advanced and not always even necessary.

Next.js: For the website and the admin dashboard

Until the time of writing, there is no official example of how to enable runtime environmental variables in a Dockerized Next.js app, as utilizing unstable_noStore would only dynamically evaluate variables on the server (node.js runtime). There is also an interesting discussion regarding this topic on GitHub.

next.js is a very popular React framework. remix-adonisjs includes more functionality through the AdonisJS backend ecosystem, and should be easier to self-host and self-manage.

Cheryl Murphy is not only a dedicated full-stack web developer skilled in technologies like React, Next.js, and NestJs but also a community-driven professional who recently took on the role of volunteer project team lead at Web Dev Path. With a dual Bachelor's degree in Computing and Chemical Engineering from Monash University, Cheryl’s journey in tech is marked by a passion for building accessible solutions and a commitment to fostering community within tech.

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