crank VS Uno Platform

If you enjoy this approach, you might enjoy the Crank JS framework. https://crank.js.org/

> Crank uses generator functions to define stateful components. You store state in local variables, and `yield` rather than `return` to keep it around.

I'm very interested in seeing if using the commonly implemented forms of compiler support for async programming can also be well used for GUI programming. One wishawa[0] is also perusing this approach in Rust but I first came upon this idea from the crank-js[1] authors. It wasn't clear to me why that one never went anywhere. Was it failure with the approach or was React just a good solution in the space? I can say this though, there's something strikingly elegant about those initial samples of using JavaScript generators for components.

[0]: https://github.com/wishawa/async_ui

[1]: https://github.com/bikeshaving/crank

Take a look at crank.js, a JavaScript framework where components can be written as async functions or as generators. It seems similar to what you're trying to do :)

Well there's https://crank.js.org that uses native js generators where you would you normally put hooks in. Never used it but looked like a very neat idea.

Reminds me of https://github.com/bikeshaving/crank, which was rather fun for a PoC I made a while back.

Strictly speaking, the framework hides this complexity away, but it still exists and it is the framework that's now paying the extra cost. Of course a framework is allowed, and should, when possible, hide away these things. For example Crank.js uses generators to allow for async Components as first class citizens, https://github.com/bikeshaving/crank, but they're still having to deal with the pitfalls of asynchronous work.

To give the author of https://crank.js.org/ due credit, after reading through the descriptive posts I was impressed by the amount of thought and design that went into it.

> What do you propose as an alternative?

There are lots of alternatives, but perhaps the simplest would have been to use async generators. This is how Crank[0] (mentioned elsewhere in this thread) works, and it allows you to do anything (AFAIK) that's possible with hooks with a much simpler and more testable API.

> So, sure, there are limitations and rules you have to pay attention to with hooks... but that's just programming.

No, it's not. The biggest problem with React hooks is that they are not composed of transferable knowledge, meaning memorizing these rules and patterns does not transfer outside of React; likewise, I can't use much of the knowledge I have already built up over many years of my career when using hooks. It's the same argument that's made against Rails, where you have to learn tons of Rails-specific idioms (on top of having to understand general concepts like relational database access patterns) instead of just writing code in a way that's more direct and intuitive for anyone.

My brain has limited RAM. The more things I have to keep in my head when developing against an API, the more likely I am to make a mistake. With every release of React, I seem to have to keep more and more of these details in my brain as I work. Contrast this with something like Svelte, where you really only need to fully grok about two concepts to use it effectively. I understand that this is the tradeoff the React team made, but I'm not convinced it's worth it.

[0]: https://crank.js.org/ and https://crank.js.org/blog/introducing-crank

And Uno Platform (https://platform.uno/) is akin to React Native in terms of native controls usage.

also UNO Platform (C#) which is suitable for simple or complex cross platform business applications : https://platform.uno/

Why is this a problem? At face value, it isn't a problem. Taking a step back at a more global level, what does "uComponents" mean to the rest of the world? Many of the .NET developers who heavily use NuGet may have not even heard of Umbraco CMS, let alone a 3rd party plugin for it. What if people from the Uno Platform community are browsing NuGet for some kind of components extension library? You can see, this could get confusing outside the scope of the Umbraco community/ecosystem. On top of this, uComponents was developed against Umbraco v4, with its last release in 2016, now it's there to be lingering on the NuGet repository until the end of time, set in stone.

Not a fan of XAML after trying to get into it, but there is Uno Platform. It wraps native widgets on mobile, just like React Native (which is good for accessibility), and uses C#. https://platform.uno/

My guess is that it's mainly focused on mobile. On Windows, it has no overhead (behaving like a normal WinUI 3 app), on macOS I think it uses Catalyst by default (which was developed by Apple to make more iOS apps available for Mac desktops) and on Linux it draws its own widgets that the devs try imitating the GTK style with.

On Android and iOS, it just uses the native widgets which I think is a better experience so you can see my reasons for guessing it's mobile-first. That may or may not be what you want.

5- Uno

> ...building UIs with the document/element api

When the whole premise is flawed, JSX or not, does it really matter if there is a better or worse way of misusing a technology not meant for UIs?

Leave HTML and JavaScript to Wikipedia and other hypertext document libraries.

Unfortunately, WASM is not there yet, but people are trying: https://platform.uno.

Uno Platform is fully open source, under Apache 2.0 license. You can see the license here https://github.com/unoplatform/uno/blob/master/License.md