coronavirus-data VS covid-19-excess-deaths-tracker

data source: https://github.com/nychealth/coronavirus-data/tree/master/variants

NYC Covid Statistics

> You are ignoring the comorbidities aspect GP was talking about.

Even if we break this split this into two groups - those under 18 with comorbidities, and those without, there's still good evidence for both groups to get vaccinated. I don't know if there is a good breakdown nationally, but even just looking at NYC, the evidence becomes compelling. NYC has a dataset that breaks down deaths by age group and by comorbidity status:

https://github.com/nychealth/coronavirus-data/blob/master/to...

For under 18, as of 9/11/21 (yes, I wish they'd push a more recent update), 29 total deaths, 19 with an underlying condition, 5 without, and 5 pending/unknown. Underlying conditions by NYC's metric is pretty broad:

> Underlying conditions currently include diabetes, lung disease, cancer, immunodeficiency, heart disease, hypertension, asthma, kidney disease, gastrointestinal/liver disease, and obesity.

So, in New York City alone, and as of nearly a year ago, you had 5 kids under the age of 18 with no known underlying conditions who died of Covid. Just an educated guess, but it's quite plausible we've had 100+ deaths in the under 18 with no underlying conditions group. That alone is pretty strong evidence in favor of vaccinating everyone in the under 18 group, and not just those with underlying conditions.

All that said, the primary reason for vaccine mandates for schools is related to transmission. And here too, there is good efficacy.

Ultimately, the harm/benefit calculation is quite clear in favor of vaccinations for kids, outside of rare scenarios. The main debate is whether the risk of backlash from schools mandating vaccination is worth the clear benefits of increasing vaccine uptake in these age groups.

> Cloth masks are security theater. Nobody’s disputing properly worn N95s. GP is talking about what has been pushed for two years and the credibility that has been destroyed. They’re not talking about recent shifts.

Cloth masks reduce transmission. They're not great at doing so, but they do still have an effect. Surgical masks are better. KN94/N95/etc are much better. Yes, we should have long ago moved to surgical as the minimum viable mask in mask mandate scenarios. It's unfortunate that we didn't. But even still, cloth masks do still help a small amount.

Would you like backup on unvaxed are highest hospitalized (first claim)? Here's the stats for NYC (where I live, thus most familiar). Unvaxed make up the majority of new cases, the majority of new hospitalizations, and the majority of deaths. Also, here's the data showing vaccination rate, which shows that the majority of the city is vaccinated, so it's a minority population making the majority of new cases/hospitalizations/deaths.

The NYC covid dashboard says the hospitalization trend is decreasing. Stop moralizing and do your fuckin’ job! https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-data.page

The economist has been tracking this for a while: https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-...

The claims about motorcycle deaths counting as covid deaths were what the deniers were spreading at the time.

We now look back at excess mortality to know how many extra people died: https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-...

The economist has a detailed breakdown that might be easier to follow

Old/general tracker across several countries 2021: https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker

Average of 16 years of life lost to covid: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-83040-3 Drop in life expectancy of nearly 2 years in the US: https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1343 Countries with big outbreaks all have significantly increased mortality: https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/excess-mortality-across-countries-in-2020/ and https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker US went from 2.85 million deaths to 3.35million deaths in one year: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7014e1.htm US has 5̶4̶0̶k̶+̶ ̶6̶3̶0̶k̶+̶ ̶7̶0̶0̶k̶+̶ 760k+ covid deaths with covid listed as the underlying cause on death certificates 90%+ of the time: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/covid19/mortality-overview.htm Over 140,000 children have lost a caregiver due to covid19 in the US, 5+ million globally https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)01253-8/fulltext

Might it be possible, just maybe, that the figures reported from other areas of the world are not quite accurate- either from lack of resources or willful manipulation of data? Here's an article from that renowned liberal bastion 'The Economist' about excess mortality rates worldwide: Excess mortality