community.kubernetes VS mgmt

It's hard to say. I don't see too much point in running Ansible inside Terraform or Terraform inside Ansible (yes, you can go either way). Ansible lagged for years on its support of kubernetes and helm (it had it, but it didn't work). Now (like in the last 12 months) got good support for both, but it might be too late. Terraform has the majority of mind share when it comes to Kubernetes support.

If you're only doing AWS or Google Cloud, Ansible can do that. Whether it does it better or worse than Terraform is all dependent on your use case.

If you're doing anything on premise, or outside of GCP/AWS, Ansible can do that as well. From the using OOB management (HP iLO/Dell iDRAC) to install the OS, to configuring vmware clusters to deploying k8s to declaring resources within k8s. Got network switches and firewalls at your office? You can manage that with Ansible. If you have a bunch of edge compute, Ansible can manage that as well.

What it comes down to is if you've got teams working with anything outside of AWS/GCP. They'll probably be using Ansible, and since you've already go Ansible knowledge across your organization, it would make sense to leverage that expertise and Ansible's cloud integrations.

All of that said - Terraform is much more popular when it comes to the major cloud platforms. If all you have is cloud, then you'll probably start with Terraform and stay there.

https://github.com/ansible-collections/community.kubernetes

https://registry.terraform.io/providers/hashicorp/kubernetes/latest https://github.com/ansible-collections/community.kubernetes

I would like to use Ansible only for deployment. This is save to use it https://github.com/ansible-collections/community.kubernetes right?

This is a new provisioning tool built with https://github.com/purpleidea/mgmt/ that I hope both provides great value and also demonstrates the start of a new way to build certain kinds of software.

Thanks for reading!

I've looked briefly into this project before. Some ideas are similar to what I'm doing in https://github.com/purpleidea/mgmt/ but the really weird thing is that I have no idea who's behind this language. A person? A company? A small group? Are they anonymous for some reason or am I oblivious?

I don't generally believe in orchestrators (they miss the point, things are not single computers and neither is the world) and so I have that feedback here but also for:

> Airflow/Cadence/Temporal/Databuilderframework?

Which don't really think about modelling non-centralized things.

This of course doesn't mean they're not useful, it's just that they don't have what I believe is a good long-term value proposition.

I'm incredibly biased because I'm working on programmatic, real-time modelling of distributed systems with https://github.com/purpleidea/mgmt/

The DAG concurrency stuff feels familiar to what I've been doing with our language, mcl. https://github.com/purpleidea/mgmt/

Our goal is NOT a general-purpose turing-complete language like this one is, but we do some amazing lock-free, DAG concurrency things to achieve the processing wins.

I don't think it's good news, but why is anyone surprised? Nobody wants to pay for open source.

Companies want it for free, and individuals don't have enough luxury time to be able to do it themselves.

Prove me wrong and help patch or fund https://github.com/purpleidea/mgmt/ and you'll have an even better replacement for terraform!

Individual here, not a company. We'd love contributors to https://github.com/purpleidea/mgmt/

Eventually decided puppet wasn't a good enough tool to be able to autonomously deploy and continuously manage such clusters. So I started working on this https://github.com/purpleidea/mgmt/ project. Not quite MVP yet, but trying to get there soon. Got distracted along the way with having to work real jobs (Red Hat, Amazon) to pay bills.

Yeah, that project is pretty much at the bottom of my list, unfortunately. My top projects these days are mgmt, klister, recursion-schemes, and hint... And that's already too much!

There are certainly faster alternatives out there (mgmt comes to mind) but then, they're not Ansible.