cockpit-podman VS Podman Desktop

Hey, I have homelab NUC server where I run different services as rootless podman pods and containers running by dedicated users, eg. nextcloud pod running by nextcloud user, gitea by gitea, znc by znc and more. Next step was trying to monitor these services. First trey was using cockpit-podman feature, but in UI I see only containers of my user and rootfull which both was empty. I cannot switch to another user because the're not capable for login to cockpit. Now I'm testing prometheus and podman-exporter which seems ok, but again I see containers only if I run prometheus-podman-exporter service as user who run another podman container (e.g. as nextcloud user). Of course I can run this service parallel as dedicated user with another port and add them as target to prometheus scrape config but from obvious reason I want to avoid that. Is it more gentle way to monitor my pods? I know that those namespaces are one of the main feature of Podman but I don't consider this before my deploys :)

Cockpit has a podman module (cockpit-podman)

Tested podman to replace docker (the cli) on a mac yesterday Most of it works fine. They have an easy way to setup a vm now with `podman machine`: https://podman.io/getting-started/installation#macos

If you want the management GUI, install cockpit: https://github.com/cockpit-project/cockpit-podman

Try podman, you'll be impressed.

A new, search-driven command palette is now available to enable quick access to various commands available across 🦭 Podman Desktop. You can try this new tool out by hitting the F1 key. #4081 && #3979

Please share this experience and what went wrong with the postman team. It is the only way things can improve.

You don’t have to solve the problem. Just state your problem. If you need inspiration, here is an example: https://github.com/containers/podman-desktop/issues/868

I wanted to try a while ago so I downloaded Podman Desktop, but I couldn't get past the initial setup due to issues in the desktop app. I was able to reproduce this on two or three Macs, can't recall exactly.

It has been a long-standing issue but seems as though it is on its way to resolution: https://github.com/containers/podman-desktop/issues/1633.

I am waiting for a few months to make sure it is all sorted and will try again to see if it works then.

I'm not happy with Podman Desktop's Svelte GUI.

Antd or MUI (React) feel much more mature.

But they are working on it.

https://github.com/containers/podman-desktop/pull/2863

I don't know if that's really a core difference from podman. Assuming I track your meaning Podman has GUI management as well and it can be made to integrate with system and can produce Kubernetes manifests from the pods you define locally.

Optional extensions will follow their own lifecycle and update independently from Podman Desktop. As of this release you'll be able to see when there is an update available and install from within Podman Desktop #2655.

Podman Desktop 0.15 embeds Podman 4.5 in Windows and macOS installers #2115.

u/Chunkypewpewpew it's karpersky that has a false positive https://github.com/containers/podman-desktop/issues/700

Podman Desktop has a new release: you can check milestone v0.11.0 and Release Notes

> docker desktop is pretty dead now that it's got restrictive licensing etc...

It would probably be nice to hear more about why you think this is! I've certainly heard of some having to move away from Docker Desktop.

However, at the scale where you need a license (250 employees or 10 million $ in annual revenue) it's not quite as big of an issue, especially at their current pricing per seat: https://www.docker.com/pricing/

> stick to standard open source tools like Colima etc...

Sticking to open source is a great idea!

I think mentioning that Colima runs on macOS and Linux only at the moment is also a good idea: https://github.com/abiosoft/colima

A large market share of the Docker Desktop installs are Windows in particular (since it's "the one way" how most install Docker nowadays, as opposed to not really needing a GUI or the supporting tools on Linux).

In another comment I mentioned Podman Desktop as a mostly viable alternative: https://github.com/containers/podman-desktop

Then there's also Rancher Desktop as well: https://github.com/rancher-sandbox/rancher-desktop

Regardless, it's nice to see reputable orgs behind the open source projects as well, which gives a bit more credence to their chances of surviving for the years to come.