manifold VS missionary

Hi there I'm using Clojure almost a year. I've played with both Manifold and core.async a bit but I'm not %100 sure when to use core.async over Manifold or vice versa.

Also I belive that events are not good abstraction (at least fot UI things). Handling events as streams is way simpler for complex cases, but comes with some learning curve. As a fan of a single tool to handle all cases I would opt for modelling events in the language in form similar to https://github.com/clj-commons/manifold as it unites several event, deferred, stream abstractions.

Have you considered using manifold's let-flow, and timeout? Seems like it would be a perfect fit. You can chain multiple functions together that deliver deferred values, and set a timeout should they not be realized within a given timeframe. Highly composable, and simple to read.

https://github.com/clj-commons/manifold/blob/master/docs/deferred.md#future-vs-manifolddeferredfuture

I think the reactive query problem is more of a spectrum of tradeoffs, there's a middle ground between "full page refresh on nav" and "refresh all query subscriptions per user per tx". Truly realtime things like chat come from a streaming event source (not a database) and even in a chat app, most of the information coordinates on a page is slow moving. So really this is about regaining control over concurrent data flow so we can sample different views at different speeds. See technologies like https://github.com/leonoel/missionary.

I wonder if anyone can compare these to missionary?

related: https://github.com/leonoel/missionary

- https://github.com/leonoel/missionary

https://github.com/leonoel/missionary has excellent syntax, it uses a macro to extend regular clojure syntax with monadic join operator – basically turning clojure sexprs into do-notation

I recommend having a look at missionary - it is probably the most essential library in our application. But it depends on what type of application you are building.

Process supervision is what Missionary implements: https://github.com/leonoel/missionary

Agree - mostly the opinions are just dated, in 2005-2012 the pure FP world (especially Scala) was in rough shape but then in 2018 Maybe Not (the really controversial talk about "Maybe Sheep") it didn't seem like he had taken the time to understand haskell. I would love to see how his opinions have evolved since then, in the 2017 interview with fogus he said "If I had more free time, I’d spend it with Haskell". Haskell has especially come a long way in 2018-2022 with the popularization of functional effect systems which are extraordinarily powerful; for example https://github.com/leonoel/missionary (2020-2022) is the best Clojure effect system and is a leap forward over core.async (2013), but that 9 year difference is a lifetime in CS