cachemachine VS swarmsible

> we found the start times with Kubernetes too slow

Just curious if you could elaborate here? I work with k8s on docker, and we're also going to be spinning up ephemeral containers (and most of the other things you say) with jupyter notebooks. We're all in on k8s, but since you might be ahead of me, just wondering what hurdles you have faced?

Our big problem was fetching containers took too long since we have kitchen sink containers that are like 10 GB (!) each. They seem to spin up pretty fast though if the image is already pulled. I've worked on a service that lives in the k8s cluster to pull images to make sure they are fresh (https://github.com/lsst-sqre/cachemachine) but curious if you are talking about that or the networking?

We use Docker Swarm for our deployments, so I will answer the questions based on that.

We have built some tooling around setting up and maintaining the swarm using ansible [0]. We also added some Hetzner flavour to that [1] which allows us to automatically spin up completely new clusters in a really short amount of time.

deploy from source repo:

- We use Azure DevOps pipelines that automate deployments based on environment configs living in an encrypted state in Git repos. We use [2] and [3] to make it easier to organize the deployments using `docker stack deploy` under the hood.

keep software up to date:

- We are currently looking into CVE scanners that export into prometheus to give us an idea of what we should update

load balancing:

- depending on the project, Hetzner LB or Cloudflare

handle scaling:

- manually, but i would love to build some autoscaler for swarm that interacts with our tooling [0] and [1]

automate backups:

- docker swarm cronjobs either via jobs with restart condition and a delay or [4]

maintain security:

- Hetzner LB is front facing. Communication is done via encrypted networks inside Hetzner private cloud networks

- [0] https://github.com/neuroforgede/swarmsible

Pretty much the same as our goto for projects at work: Hetzner + Docker (Swarm) with some Ansible to orchestrate things

We have built some automation around cluster management over at https://github.com/neuroforgede/swarmsible.

I used to do everything in ansible, but Docker Stacks are just so much nicer to use.

In any case automation is king. I don't have to remember stuff if I can just look at some IaC Code :).

Our tooling can be found here https://github.com/neuroforgede/swarmsible . It is not yet documented tbh, but most things are pretty straight forward to use if you have used ansible, docker etc already.

Story of one of the projects I am involved in:

We came from Ansible managed deployments of vanilla docker with nginx as single node ingress with another load balancer on top of that.

Worked fine, but HA for containers that are only allowed to exist once in the stack was one thing that caused us headaches.

Then, we had a workshop for Rancher RKE. Looked promising at the start, but operating it became a headache as we didn't have enough people in the project team to maintain it. Certificates expiring was an issue and the fact that you actually kinda had to baby-sit the cluster was a turn off.

We killed the switch to kubernetes.

In the meantime we were toying around with Docker Swarm for smaller scale deployments and inhouse infrastructure. We didn't find anything to not like and are currently moving into that direction.

How we do things in Swarm:

1. Monitoring using an updated Swarmprom stack (https://github.com/neuroforgede/swarmsible/tree/master/envir...)

For anyone interested in this, check out: https://github.com/neuroforgede/swarmsible/blob/master/environments/test/test-swarm/stacks/02_monitoring/README.md