community VS bocker

A list of adopters (many of which are hosting providers) is here: https://github.com/buildpacks/community/blob/main/ADOPTERS.m...

Many comments here point out how difficult it is to manage a separate dependency stack for each container when you use Dockerfiles to build them. This problem is just as difficult, time-intensive, and security-critical for microservice apps running on K8s as it is for CLI tools and graphical apps.

Worth pointing out that there is an incubating CNCF project that tries to solve this problem by forgoing Dockerfiles entirely: Cloud Native Buildpacks (https://buildpacks.io)

CNB defines safe seams between OCI image layers so that can be replaced out of order, directly on any Docker registry (only JSON requests), and en-mass. This means you can, e.g., instantly update all of your OS packages for your 1000+ containers without running any builds, as long as you use an LTS distribution with strong ABI promises (e.g., Ubuntu 20.04). Most major cloud vendors have quietly adopted it, especially for function builds: https://github.com/buildpacks/community/blob/main/ADOPTERS.m...

You might recognize "buildpacks" from Heroku, and in fact the project was started several years ago in the CNCF by the folks who maintained the Heroku and Cloud Foundry buildpacks in the pre-Dockerfile era.

[Disclaimer: I'm one of the founders of the project, on the VMware (formerly Cloud Foundry) side.]

A (joke?) one-liner I came up with while thinking about solutions to centralized container management across multiple SSH hosts. Shame on me.

The name is inspired by bocker [0], albeit this doesn't re-implement docker-compose in bash, I found it to be fitting enough.

I'd love to see someone come up with a smarter and/or shorter way to do this.

[0] https://github.com/p8952/bocker

When I did a talk about docker I also wanted to show a bit of what it does under the hood without going through all the layers and without too much details. This ~120 lines of shell script is really good in providing just an intro into what's needed for containers: https://github.com/p8952/bocker/blob/master/bocker

i tried it and like the concnpt, but until it can be launched via a systemd userspace service (without previously manually booting it) among other problems i will keep using docker (or bocker)

> But you couldn't reimplement podman in a few hundred lines of code.

You don't even need a few hundred: https://github.com/p8952/bocker

And then there's 'dokku' which IIRC, started as a bash version of Heroku.

> Not all ideas have the same quality.

They really do. I've heard all kinds of things in my career, but almost none I would want to dedicate a portion of my life building. Not because they are bad ideas or won't work, but because of the person with the idea or it just didn't interest me. Those people went on to be moderately successful (like hundreds of millions worth) but I'm glad I wasn't on that ride.

Bocker is in this same category...docker clone in bash that's helpful in seeing what's really happening underneath with nsenter, namespaces, network bridging, cgroups, etc.

https://github.com/p8952/bocker

Docker implemented in around 100 lines of bash: https://github.com/p8952/bocker

This is the most mindblowing example for enterprise security teams that think Docker is a new threat on a single tenant Linux host.

No, buddies, all this stuff is already there. If you were fine with your visibility before*, you're still fine. Go find a real problem while we play with our developer dopamine.

* NARRATOR: They shouldn't have been.

Bocker[1] does a reasonably good job of showing the value of Docker was mostly in Docker hub.

[1] https://github.com/p8952/bocker

There is a cool project I've seen called "bocker" (https://github.com/p8952/bocker) which is something of a proof of concept of implementing Docker with bash, which speaks a bit to how Docker is indeed in many ways an amalgam of lower level primitives (such as chroot as you mentioned). Pretty neat!