zed VS nushell

VAST is an open-source SecDataOps project for working with data from open-source security tools. Version 3.0 adds a pipeline syntax similar to splunk, Kusto, PRQL, and Zed.

Cool, I didn't realize you used sqlite-utils for your performance demo!

It's not particularly designed for speed - it should be fast as far as Python code goes (I use some generator tricks to stream data and avoid having to load everything into memory at once) but I wouldn't expect "sqlite-utils insert" to win any performance competitions with tools written in other languages.

Those benchmarks against sqlite itself are definitely interesting. I'm looking forward to playing with the "native ZNG support for Python" mentioned on https://github.com/brimdata/zed/blob/main/docs/libraries/pyt... when that becomes available.

Hi, all. Author here. Thanks for all the great feedback.

I've learned a lot from your comments and pointers.

The Zed project is broader than "a jq alternative" and my bad for trying out this initial positioning. I do know there are a lot of people out there who find jq really confusing, but it's clear if you become an expert, my arguments don't hold water.

We've had great feedback from many of our users who are really productive with the blend of search, analytics, and data discovery in the Zed language, and who find manipulating eclectic data in the ZNG format to be really easy.

Anyway, we'll write more about these other aspects of the Zed project in the coming weeks and months, and in the meantime, if you find any of this intriguing and want to kick the tires, feel free to hop on our slack with questions/feedback or file GitHub issues if you have ideas for improvements or find bugs.

Thanks a million!

https://github.com/brimdata/zed

In my observation, mock data has tended to be used in a rather loose, slipshod, careless manner. Unlike documentation, it is treated as the garbage of software material. (Sometimes even referred to as "garbage data"). People will try to avoid writing it by using elaborate "generators" such as jFairy or zed.

There are a few examples in the ZSON spec...

https://github.com/brimdata/zed/blob/main/docs/formats/zson....

And you can easily see whatever data you'd like formatted as ZSON using the "zq" CLI tool, but I just made this gist (with some data from the brimdata/zed-sample-data report) so you can have a quick look (the bstring stuff is a little noisy and an artifact of the data source being Zeek)... https://gist.github.com/mccanne/94865d557ca3de8abfd3eb09e8ac...

The first method is through downloading the pre-built binaries. With this method, you don't need to install anything other than Nushell's dependencies. Once you've downloaded the binaries, add them to your system's environment path to run it directly in your terminal.

I rather nushell for this purpose, it's more fun to write and easier to read.

https://www.nushell.sh/

These are just three small examples of what this shell written in Rust allows. The features are many and many more, but I'll leave it up to you to discover and enjoy them; I'm currently playing around with it and it's giving me a lot of satisfaction and immediacy, now it has a fixed place among the tools I use when working! The project is Open Source, so if you want to contribute, I invite you, as always, to do so, I leave you the link to the repo here!

Any thoughts on fish as compared to nushell [0]? It's similar to PowerShell in its philosophy and is also written in Rust.

[0] https://github.com/nushell/nushell

> In PowerShell, structured output is the default and it seems to work very well.

PowerShell goes a step beyond JSON, by supporting actual mutable objects. So instead of just passing through structured data, you effectively pass around opaque objects that allow you to go back to earlier pipeline stages, and invoke methods, if I understand correctly: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/powershell/module/microsof....

I'm rather fond of wrappers like jc and libxo, and experimental shells like https://www.nushell.sh/. These still focus on passing data, not objects with executable methods. On some level, I find this comfortable: Structured data still feels pretty Unix-like, if that makes sense? If I want actual objects, then it's probably time to fire up Python or Ruby.

Knowing when to switch from a shell script to a full-fledged programming language is important, even if your shell is basically awesome and has good programming features.

Maybe if the "popular" shells, but http://www.nushell.sh/ is looking better and better

Yeah agreed, especially now that PowerShell is available cross-platform.

Nushell[1] also seems like a promising alternative, but I haven’t had a chance to play with it yet.

[1]: https://www.nushell.sh/

I also discovered an existing discussion[1] related to this topic which includes a link[2] to a "helper to call nushell nuon/json/yaml commands from bash/fish/zsh" and a comment[3] that the current nushell dev focus is "on getting the experience inside nushell right and [we] probably won't be able to dedicate design time to get the interface of native Nu commands with an outside POSIX shell right and stable.".

[0] https://gitlab.com/RancidBacon/notes_public/-/blob/main/note...

[1] "Expose some commands to external world #6554": https://github.com/nushell/nushell/issues/6554

[2] https://github.com/cruel-intentions/devshell-files/blob/mast...

[3] https://github.com/nushell/nushell/issues/6554#issuecomment-...