bitsandbytes VS text-generation-webui

No. Without the inference code, the best we can have are guesses on its implementation, so the benchmark figures we can get could be quite wrong. It does seem better than Llama2-70B in my tests, which rely on the work done by Dmytro Dzhulgakov[0] and DiscoResearch[1].

But the point of releasing on bittorrent is to see the effervescence in hobbyist research and early attempts at MoE quantization, which are already ongoing[2]. They are benefitting from the community.

[0]: https://github.com/dzhulgakov/llama-mistral

[1]: https://huggingface.co/DiscoResearch/mixtral-7b-8expert

[2]: https://github.com/TimDettmers/bitsandbytes/tree/sparse_moe

CUDA SETUP: To manually override the PyTorch CUDA version please see:https://github.com/TimDettmers/bitsandbytes/blob/main/how_to_use_nonpytorch_cuda.md

While on the surface, a 192GB Mac Studio seems like a great deal (it's not much more than a 48GB A6000!), there are several reasons why this might not be a good idea:

* I assume most people have never used llama.cpp Metal w/ large models. It will drop to CPU speeds whenever the context window is full: https://github.com/ggerganov/llama.cpp/issues/1730#issuecomm... - while sure this might be fixed in the future, it's been an issue since Metal support was added, and is a significant problem if you are actually trying to actually use it for inferencing. With 192GB of memory, you could probably run larger models w/o quantization, but I've never seen anyone post benchmarks of their experiences. Note that at that point, the limited memory bandwidth will be a big factor.

* If you are planning on using Apple Silicon for ML/training, I'd also be wary. There are multi-year long open bugs in PyTorch[1], and most major LLM libs like deepspeed, bitsandbytes, etc don't have Apple Silicon support[2][3].

You can see similar patterns w/ Stable Diffusion support [4][5] - support lagging by months, lots of problems and poor performance with inference, much less fine tuning. You can apply this to basically any ML application you want (srt, tts, video, etc)

Macs are fine to poke around with, but if you actually plan to do more than run a small LLM and say "neat", especially for a business, recommending a Mac for anyone getting started w/ ML workloads is a bad take. (In general, for anyone getting started, unless you're just burning budget, renting cloud GPU is going to be the best cost/perf, although on-prem/local obviously has other advantages.)

[1] https://github.com/pytorch/pytorch/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3A...

[2] https://github.com/microsoft/DeepSpeed/issues/1580

[3] https://github.com/TimDettmers/bitsandbytes/issues/485

[4] https://github.com/AUTOMATIC1111/stable-diffusion-webui/disc...

[5] https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/ai-generated-art-stable...

Release notes: https://github.com/TimDettmers/bitsandbytes/releases/tag/0.4...

Welcome to bitsandbytes. For bug reports, please run python -m bitsandbytes and submit this information together with your error trace to: https://github.com/TimDettmers/bitsandbytes/issues ================================================================================ bin /usr/local/lib/python3.10/dist-packages/bitsandbytes/libbitsandbytes_cpu.so /usr/local/lib/python3.10/dist-packages/bitsandbytes/libbitsandbytes_cpu.so: undefined symbol: cadam32bit_grad_fp32 CUDA_SETUP: WARNING! libcudart.so not found in any environmental path. Searching in backup paths... ERROR: /usr/bin/python3: undefined symbol: cudaRuntimeGetVersion CUDA SETUP: libcudart.so path is None CUDA SETUP: Is seems that your cuda installation is not in your path. See https://github.com/TimDettmers/bitsandbytes/issues/85 for more information. CUDA SETUP: CUDA version lower than 11 are currently not supported for LLM.int8(). You will be only to use 8-bit optimizers and quantization routines!! CUDA SETUP: Highest compute capability among GPUs detected: 7.5 CUDA SETUP: Detected CUDA version 00 CUDA SETUP: Loading binary /usr/local/lib/python3.10/dist-packages/bitsandbytes/libbitsandbytes_cpu.so... /usr/local/lib/python3.10/dist-packages/bitsandbytes/cextension.py:34: UserWarning: The installed version of bitsandbytes was compiled without GPU support. 8-bit optimizers, 8-bit multiplication, and GPU quantization are unavailable. warn("The installed version of bitsandbytes was compiled without GPU support. " /usr/local/lib/python3.10/dist-packages/bitsandbytes/cuda_setup/main.py:149: UserWarning: /usr/lib64-nvidia did not contain ['libcudart.so', 'libcudart.so.11.0', 'libcudart.so.12.0'] as expected! Searching further paths... warn(msg) /usr/local/lib/python3.10/dist-packages/bitsandbytes/cuda_setup/main.py:149: UserWarning: WARNING: The following directories listed in your path were found to be non-existent: {PosixPath('/sys/fs/cgroup/memory.events /var/colab/cgroup/jupyter-children/memory.events')} warn(msg) /usr/local/lib/python3.10/dist-packages/bitsandbytes/cuda_setup/main.py:149: UserWarning: WARNING: The following directories listed in your path were found to be non-existent: {PosixPath('http'), PosixPath('//172.28.0.1'), PosixPath('8013')} warn(msg) /usr/local/lib/python3.10/dist-packages/bitsandbytes/cuda_setup/main.py:149: UserWarning: WARNING: The following directories listed in your path were found to be non-existent: {PosixPath('//colab.research.google.com/tun/m/cc48301118ce562b961b3c22d803539adc1e0c19/gpu-t4-s-1b6gsytv7z9le --tunnel_background_save_delay=10s --tunnel_periodic_background_save_frequency=30m0s --enable_output_coalescing=true --output_coalescing_required=true'), PosixPath('--logtostderr --listen_host=172.28.0.12 --target_host=172.28.0.12 --tunnel_background_save_url=https')} warn(msg) /usr/local/lib/python3.10/dist-packages/bitsandbytes/cuda_setup/main.py:149: UserWarning: WARNING: The following directories listed in your path were found to be non-existent: {PosixPath('/env/python')} warn(msg) /usr/local/lib/python3.10/dist-packages/bitsandbytes/cuda_setup/main.py:149: UserWarning: WARNING: The following directories listed in your path were found to be non-existent: {PosixPath('module'), PosixPath('//ipykernel.pylab.backend_inline')} warn(msg) /usr/local/lib/python3.10/dist-packages/bitsandbytes/cuda_setup/main.py:149: UserWarning: WARNING: No libcudart.so found! Install CUDA or the cudatoolkit package (anaconda)!

RuntimeError: CUDA Setup failed despite GPU being available. Inspect the CUDA SETUP outputs above to fix your environment! If you cannot find any issues and suspect a bug, please open an issue with detals about your environment: https://github.com/TimDettmers/bitsandbytes/issues

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Some of the tools offer a path to doing tool use (fetching URLs and doing things with them) or RAG (searching your documents). I think Oobabooga https://github.com/oobabooga/text-generation-webui offers the latter through plugins.

Our tool, https://github.com/transformerlab/transformerlab-app also supports the latter (document search) using local llms.

You can use webui https://github.com/oobabooga/text-generation-webui

Once you get a version up and running I make a copy before I update it as several times updates have broken my working version and caused headaches.

a decent explanation of parameters outside of reading archive papers: https://github.com/oobabooga/text-generation-webui/wiki/03-%...

a news ai website:

The other answers are recommending paths which give you #1. less control and #2. projects with smaller eco-systems.

If you want a truly general purpose front-end for LLMs, the only good solution right now is oobabooga: https://github.com/oobabooga/text-generation-webui

All other alternatives have only small fractions of the features that oobabooga supports. All other alternatives only support a fraction of the LLM backends that oobabooga supports, etc.

The example waifu in text-generation-webui is good enough for me.

https://github.com/oobabooga/text-generation-webui/blob/main...

> Downloading text-generation-webui takes a minute, let's you use any model and get going.

What you're missing here is you're already in this area deep enough to know what ooogoababagababa text-generation-webui is. Let's back out to the "average Windows desktop user" level. Assuming they even know how to find it:

1) Go to https://github.com/oobabooga/text-generation-webui?tab=readm...

2) See a bunch of instructions opening a terminal window and running random batch/powershell scripts. Powershell, etc will likely prompt you with a scary warning. Then you start wondering who ooobabagagagaba is...

3) Assuming you get this far (many users won't even get to step 1) you're greeted with a web interface[0] FILLED to the brim with technical jargon and extremely overwhelming options just to get a model loaded, which is another mind warp because you get to try to select between a bunch of random models with no clear meaning and non-sensical/joke sounding names from someone called "TheBloke". Ok...

Let's say you somehow braved this gauntlet and get this far now you get to chat with it. Ok, what about my local documents? text-generation-webui itself has nothing for that. Repeat this process over the 10 random open source projects from a bunch of names you've never heard of in an attempt to accomplish that.

This is "I saw this thing from Nvidia explode all over media, twitter, youtube, etc. I downloaded it from Nvidia, double-clicked, pointed it at a folder with documents, and it works".

That's the difference and it's very significant.

[0] - https://raw.githubusercontent.com/oobabooga/screenshots/main...

Maybe a copout answer, but setting up a local LLM on my development machine has been invaluable. I use Deep Seek Coder 6.7 [0] and Oobabooga's UI [1]. It helps me solve simple problems and find bugs, while still leaving the larger architecture decisions to me.

[0] https://huggingface.co/deepseek-ai/deepseek-coder-6.7b-instr...

[1] https://github.com/oobabooga/text-generation-webui

You can download it and run it with [this](https://github.com/oobabooga/text-generation-webui). There's an API mode that you could leverage from your VS Code extension.

Same question here. Ollama is fantastic as it makes it very easy to run models locally, But if you already have a lot of code that processes OpenAI API responses (with retry, streaming, async, caching etc), it would be nice to be able to simply switch the API client to Ollama, without having to have a whole other branch of code that handles Alama API responses. One way to do an easy switch is using the litellm library as a go-between but it’s not ideal (and I also recently found issues with their chat formatting for mistral models).

For an OpenAI compatible API my current favorite method is to spin up models using oobabooga TGW. Your OpenAI API code then works seamlessly by simply switching out the api_base to the ooba endpoint. Regarding chat formatting, even ooba’s Mistral formatting has issues[1] so I am doing my own in Langroid using HuggingFace tokenizer.apply_chat_template [2]

[1] https://github.com/oobabooga/text-generation-webui/issues/53...

[2] https://github.com/langroid/langroid/blob/main/langroid/lang...

Related question - I assume ollama auto detects and applies the right chat formatting template for a model?