rust VS Rustup

For what it's worth, this is the script I'm using to build for our platform: build.ps1 / build.sh

Note that before I got the target triple upstream, I had to provide my own target json file. That's here: https://github.com/betrusted-io/rust/blob/1.53.0-xous/riscv32imac-unknown-xous-elf.json and you can adapt it as necessary. Simply creating the file in the correct path is enough. This is the code that does that: https://github.com/betrusted-io/rust/blob/e39344c5473d49a0cb4d45de119ad23713a00ed4/rebuild.ps1#L65

Everything you need to know to build for our platform is at https://github.com/betrusted-io/rust/ and maybe the scripts or patches there will be interesting to you.

Rust does use a Rust port of dlmalloc on platforms that don't provide malloc() and free(). We did port this to Xous, but ran into a feature bug that caused locking to be disabled. That was the source of weird and subtle bugs, which is how he discovered that fact about allocators.

This is correct.

When you tell someone to install Rust, they go to rustup.rs and install the latest version. Therefore, we need to have a libstd port for the latest version. Which effectively means we need to release libstd as soon as possible after the compiler is released. Our `sys` directory is at https://github.com/betrusted-io/rust/tree/1.61.0-xous/librar... and isn't too complicated. It's about 50 patches that need to be carried forward every six weeks.

Fortunately libstd doesn't change too much, at leaset not the parts we need. And I can usually pre-port the patches by applying them to `beta`, which means the patches against the release version usually apply cleanly.

It's still better than requiring nightly, which has absolutely no stability guarantees. By targeting stable, we don't run into issues of bitrot where we accidentally rely on features that have been removed. Rather than adjusting every service in the operating system, we just need to port one library: libstd

I've considered trying to upstream these, but I'm not sure how the rust team would feel about it.

I got it to finally work by following this

If you are someone actively using such relative-path toolchains, please contact us (Discord / Github issues).

We had a snap package; we removed it in mid 2022

I don't know. The PR references prior discussion without a link, so it may have been private.

As long as he doesn't put hidden folders in your root like rust. https://github.com/rust-lang/rustup/issues/341

I think you're being upvoted by folks who don't know better, which is a shame because you're making things up :/. The telemetry feature in rustup kept everything local and never "pinged home". And you had to enable it with a command `rustup telemetry enable`. And it just logged JSON files at the path you mentioned. By 2019, the feature was disabled (see: https://github.com/rust-lang/rustup/issues/341 ) because no one worked on it and it just gathered bugs.

FWIW, there is a proposal to add telemetry to LLVM [0] and Rust used to have telemetry [1], both off by default. Some things in the node.js world have telemetry enabled by default, like Next.js [3].

Some people are posting here as if this as already decided -- AFIACT, that's not the case. It's not even a formal proposal yet, and the stated intent was to start a conversation around something concrete. (For context, this is standard for how I've seen the Go project approaches large topics, including for example I think there were something like ~8 very detailed generics design drafts from the core Go team over ~10 years).

It sounds like the Go team is going to take some time to look into some of the alternative approaches suggested in the feedback collected so far.

In any event, this is obviously a topic people are very passionate about, especially opt-in vs. opt-out, but I guess I would suggest not giving up hope quite yet.

[0] https://discourse.llvm.org/t/rfc-lldb-telemetry-metrics/6458...

[1] https://github.com/rust-lang/rustup/issues/341

[2] https://nextjs.org/telemetry

Rust (Specifically Rust Up) seems to have planned to include telemetry but they paused and cancelled the decision, possibly after implementing it initially.

https://github.com/rust-lang/rustup/issues/341 and rust installation uses telemetry