awesome-structure-editors VS scalar

Yes, I think that we can do better than plain text as the source of truth, and thus git would probably need to change.

There's work around a bunch of languages that are not based on text, some have their own editor or a tool to manage a canonical representation in text for you that would make them friendlier to git.

  - https://github.com/yairchu/awesome-structure-editors/blob/main/README.md

There's many more akin projects listed in https://github.com/yairchu/awesome-structure-editors/blob/ma...

I can't wait fast enough for these ideas to reshape how we deal with programs and build stuff.

Haskell seems to be pretty big. For example in this list of projects it appears to be the second most popular language (after TypeScript) :)

See https://github.com/yairchu/awesome-structure-editors

You could submit a pull request to get it added to awesome-structure-editors by /u/yairchu

It would be interesting to have such a general project go somewhere.

While in principle structural editing sounds like an incredible advance, there are 'good enough' advantages to plain-text tools that make it a much more practical solution. The other issue is of course integration with existing tooling, which you either skip entirely or compromise on the design.

What I feel is missing, between the description of "old, bad state of things" and "utopian vision" is a review of some of the projects that already tried to achieve this ideal state. It turns out there are a number of them, and most of them failed to achieve any traction or impact [0].

The rants are very long, so I skimmed quickly the one about git; I understand the complaints, although git is only bringing me joy and no pain --interactive rebase, absorb and a few aliases made it a breeze. But in a similar fashion there are projects trying to solve its fundamental issues, like pijul(.org); what are they missing?

[0] https://github.com/yairchu/awesome-structure-editors/blob/ma...

Some good ones pops up in Projectional Programming [1] once in a while. The pinned thread links to the structure-editors github list [2] too.

[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/nosyntax/

[2] https://github.com/yairchu/awesome-structure-editors

It's not only Windows that uses Git at Microsoft, but Sharepoint and Office (which includes the on-prem version of SharePoint). In terms of repo size Windows and Office are similar. I was part of the team that migrated Sharepoint from a Perforce clone to Git and helped build the tooling to allow Office to move as well. VFS for Git [1] and Scalar [2] are really good pieces of software.

[1] - https://github.com/microsoft/VFSForGit

[2] - https://github.com/microsoft/scalar

Congratulations! That means you basically figured out how the clone procedure works and found a way to do so just in a partial way (also in an unsafe way). But it is a cool idea, nonetheless.

Also check out the Scalar [1] project and its predecessor, GVFS [2], both from Microsoft to manage their monorepo via a VFS layer.

[1]: https://github.com/microsoft/scalar

[2]: https://github.com/microsoft/VFSForGit

You mean like VFSforGit? Or the successor for that called Scalar? This has been a solved problem. Microsoft moved their entire Windows codebase to git. There have been a ton of huge improvements to performance as a result of that. And the above two plugins are easily better ways to deal with what you're referring to without resulting to dead tech.

I was just looking at Microsoft's git VFS (https://github.com/microsoft/VFSForGit), which is deprecated and now points to Scalar (https://github.com/microsoft/scalar), which is also deprecated? What's Microsoft's story with git now? Is there still a virtual file system involved?

Microsoft has/had a mono-repo based on the Git Virtual Filesystem, but future efforts have apparently moved towards the use of Scalar: https://github.com/microsoft/scalar

This has been superceded by Scalar (https://github.com/microsoft/scalar) and again merged into Microsoft's fork of git (https://github.com/microsoft/git)

It supports neat stuff like partial clone which seems like a pretty big deal.

As mentioned in the blog "we are moving towards providing a known version of git", probably Microsoft Git which includes the scalar command but also upstreams many of the optimizations to git core https://github.com/microsoft/scalar#why-did-scalar-move

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