autograd VS PyO3

Actually, that's never been a constraint for JAX autodiff. JAX grew out of the original Autograd (https://github.com/hips/autograd), so differentiating through Python control flow always worked. It's jax.jit and jax.vmap which place constraints on control flow, requiring structured control flow combinators like those.

I'm sure there's a lot of good material around, but here are some links that are conceptually very close to the linked Autodidax.

There's [Autodidact](https://github.com/mattjj/autodidact), a predecessor to Autodidax, which was a simplified implementation of [the original Autograd](https://github.com/hips/autograd). It focuses on reverse-mode autodiff, not building an open-ended transformation system like Autodidax. It's also pretty close to the content in [these lecture slides](https://www.cs.toronto.edu/~rgrosse/courses/csc321_2018/slid...) and [this talk](http://videolectures.net/deeplearning2017_johnson_automatic_...). But the autodiff in Autodidax is more sophisticated and reflects clearer thinking. In particular, Autodidax shows how to implement forward- and reverse-modes using only one set of linearization rules (like in [this paper](https://arxiv.org/abs/2204.10923)).

Here's [an even smaller and more recent variant](https://gist.github.com/mattjj/52914908ac22d9ad57b76b685d19a...), a single ~100 line file for reverse-mode AD on top of NumPy, which was live-coded during a lecture. There's no explanatory material to go with it though.

XLA is "higher level" than what Numba produces.

You may be able to get the equivalent of jax via numba+numpy+autograd[1], but I haven't tried it before.

IMHO, jax is best thought of as a numerical computation library that happens to include autograd, vmapping, pmapping and provides a high level interface for XLA.

I have built a numerical optimisation library with it, and although a few things became verbose, it was a rather pleasant experience as the natural vmapping made everything a breeze, I didn't have to write the gradients for my testing functions, except for special cases that involved exponents and logs that needed a bit of delicate care.

[1] https://github.com/HIPS/autograd

Next, we want the code in the https://github.com/hrichardlee/dalle-playground repo, and we want to construct a pip environment from the backend/requirements.txt file in that repo. We were almost able to use the saharmor/dalle-playground repo as-is, but we had to make one change to add the jax[cuda] package to the requirements.txt file. In case you haven’t seen jax before, jax is a machine-learning library from Google, roughly equivalent to Tensorflow or PyTorch. It combines Autograd for automatic differentiation and XLA (accelerated linear algebra) for JIT-compiling numpy-like code for Google’s TPUs or Nvidia’s CUDA API for GPUs. The CUDA support requires explicitly selecting the [cuda] option when we install the package.

> fun fact, the Jax folks at Google Brain did have a Python source code transform AD at one point but it was scrapped essentially because of these difficulties

I assume you mean autograd?

https://github.com/HIPS/autograd

These four points lead to an enormous differentiation in the ecosystem: Keras, for example, was originally thought to be almost completely focused on point (4), leaving the other tasks to a backend engine. In 2015, on the other hand, Autograd focused on the first two points, allowing users to write code using only "classic" Python and NumPy constructs, providing subsequently many options for point (2). Autograd's simplicity greatly influenced the development of the libraries to follow, but it was penalized by the clear lack of the points (3) and (4), i.e. adequate techniques to speed up the code and sufficiently abstract modules for neural network development.

Integrating Rust into Python, Edward Wright, 2021-04-12 Examples for making rustpython run actual python code Calling Rust from Python using PyO3 Writing Python inside your Rust code — Part 1, 2020-04-17 RustPython, RustPython Rust for Python developers: Using Rust to optimize your Python code PyO3 (Rust bindings for Python) Musing About Pythonic Design Patterns In Rust, Teddy Rendahl, 2023-07-14

This story unfolds as a captivating journey where the agile Flounder, representing the Python programming language, navigates the vast seas of coding under the wise guidance of Sebastian, symbolizing Rust. Central to their adventure are three powerful tridents: cargo, PyO3, and maturin.

I would not recommend FFI + ctypes. Maintaining the bindings is tedious and error-prone. Also, Rust FFI/unsafe can be tricky even for experienced Rust devs.

Instead PyO3 [1] lets you "write a native Python module in Rust", and it works great. A much better choice IMO.

[1] https://github.com/PyO3/pyo3

Same w/ Rust and Python, this is really neat because now each thread could have a GIL without doing exactly what you said. The pyO3 commit to allow subinterpreters was merged 21 days ago, so this might "just work" today: https://github.com/PyO3/pyo3/pull/3446

I expected someone to write a rust-based scripting language which tightly integrated with rust itself.

In reality, it seems like the python developers and toolchain are embracing rust enough to reduce the benefits to a new alternative.

https://github.com/PyO3/pyo3

Hey HN! I am one of the people working on Bytewax. Bytewax came out of our experience working with ML infrastructure at GitHub. We wanted to use Python because we could move fast, the team was very fluent in it, and the rest of our tooling was Python-native already. We didn't want to introduce JVM-based solutions into our stack because of the lack of experience and the friction we had trying to get Python-centric tooling working with existing solutions like Flink.

In our research, we found Timely Dataflow (https://timelydataflow.github.io/timely-dataflow/, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24837031) and the Naiad project (https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/project/naiad/) as well as PyO3 (https://github.com/PyO3/pyo3) and we thought we found a match made in heaven :). Bytewax leverages both of these projects and builds on them to provide a clean API (at least we think so) and table stakes features like connectors, state recovery, and cloud-native scaling. It has been really cool to learn about the dataflow computation model, Rust, and how to wrangle the GIL with Rust and Python :P.

Would love to get your feedback :).

`pip install bytewax` to get started. We have a page of guides (https://www.bytewax.io/guides) with ready-to-run examples.

You can practice your Rust skills by writing performant and/or gluey extensions for higher-level language such as NodeJS (checkout napi-rs) and Python or complementing JS in the browser if you target Webassembly.

For instance, checkout Llama-node https://github.com/Atome-FE/llama-node for an involved Rust-based NodeJS extension. Python has PyO3, a Rust-Python extension toolset: https://github.com/PyO3/pyo3.

They can help you leverage your Rust for writing cool new stuff.