assemblyscript VS mun

I like your take but JavaScript was literally the assembly language of the web until WASM came along. There was no other language that TypeScript could compile to.

This train of thought lead me to discover AssemblyScript! https://www.assemblyscript.org/

Incidentally, it’s also what AssemblyScript uses: https://github.com/AssemblyScript/assemblyscript/blob/main/s...

Use it as a Front-End for other low-level languages.

> MHO typescript could just cut loose from its javascript compatibility. Why not compile it to wasm instead of transpiling it to javascript?

Check out AssemblyScript which is exactly that:

https://www.assemblyscript.org/

If you're curious, check out AssemblyScript, that might describe better what needs to be cut from TypeScript to make it possible to be compiled to WASM.

This is kinda the idea behind AssemblyScript, but IIRC it's more of a low-level typescript-ish syntax for WebAssembly.

https://www.assemblyscript.org/ maybe, but I'm not sure exactly what you need.

Exactly, WASM was designed to be very very lightweight... you can put a lot of logic into a very small amount of WASM, but you need a good compiler to do that, or write WASM by hand to really feel the benefit. If you just compile Go to WASM, with its GC, runtime and stdlib included in the binary, yeah it's going to be pretty heavy... Rust doesn't have a runtime but as you said, for some reason, produces relatively large binaries (not the case only in WASM by the way). Probably, the best ways to create small WASM binaries is to compile from C or from a WASM-native language like AssemblySCript (https://www.assemblyscript.org).

Well we have all the new ECMA standards that will be introduced in 5 years now. It's looking more like Java actually. its accessor and typing patterns match it the most. TypeScript has had quite the profound influence over future ECMA design. There is a not so well known project called AssemblyScript which I think has a promising future. Since future ecma standards closely resembles it and TypeScripts popularity has exploded I have a feeling it may become a real standard as well.

Mun is a statically typed language that compiles to machine code with LLVM, designed to be hot-reloadable: https://mun-lang.org/.

Perhaps https://mun-lang.org? Might be a bit raw for your needs tho.

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Whenever I read about Mun, I'm always really, really intrigued… Until I remember that it currently has no string type and support for one is not currently planned. That's a bit of a shame, IMHO, because otherwise, this looks great!

There's mun [1] which is statically typed and AOT compiled.

1: https://github.com/mun-lang/mun

From the reverse-dependencies of the salsa crate, the (archived) Lark compiler used it and the Mun compiler uses it.

I notice that there are projects like mun trying to achieve a similar goal, but I'm kind of curious why they are not getting much attention from the community.

Have you heard of https://mun-lang.org/ ?

It's an embeddable scripting language with the goal of being a Rust-like language that supports hot reloading of functions AND data. To achieve the latter, it uses GC'ed memory such that memory can easily be mapped when the memory's type changes.

It's still in early development but maybe one day will serve your needs :)

In terms of pure Rust engines/frameworks it seems the overall "problem" is lack of scripting, at least from my perspective. Mun seemed extremely interesting, but since even the project itself says "don't use it" I guess it's not a real option, and considering the amount of time we spent on the GDScript/Rust integration I'm a little worried that rolling something more custom would be even less efficient.