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I have no beef with deferred mode GUIs except that I have yet to see one with the performance characteristics I need.
For what it's worth, egui does have an accessibility layer. I haven't gone to any particular effort to wire it up yet (besides what you get by default): https://github.com/emilk/egui/issues/167
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Exactly, WASM was designed to be very very lightweight... you can put a lot of logic into a very small amount of WASM, but you need a good compiler to do that, or write WASM by hand to really feel the benefit. If you just compile Go to WASM, with its GC, runtime and stdlib included in the binary, yeah it's going to be pretty heavy... Rust doesn't have a runtime but as you said, for some reason, produces relatively large binaries (not the case only in WASM by the way). Probably, the best ways to create small WASM binaries is to compile from C or from a WASM-native language like AssemblySCript (https://www.assemblyscript.org).
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For this there's Leptos and a half dozen other "DOM in Rust" frontend frameworks:
https://github.com/leptos-rs/leptos
These are already orders of magnitude faster than React, and as the WASM<->DOM bridge improves, will only get faster.
In about 3-5 years these frameworks will start to consolidate and reach maturity.
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https://github.com/kushalkolar/fastplotlib
Alternatively, try pygfx for ThreeJS graphics in Python leveraging wgpu. It works great in Notebooks through notebook-rfb. https://github.com/pygfx/pygfx
If you're adventurous, figure out how to make pygfx work with webgpu via wasm
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https://github.com/kushalkolar/fastplotlib
Alternatively, try pygfx for ThreeJS graphics in Python leveraging wgpu. It works great in Notebooks through notebook-rfb. https://github.com/pygfx/pygfx
If you're adventurous, figure out how to make pygfx work with webgpu via wasm
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I hope it's OK to add a shameless plug for my Rust WASM framework, Silkenweb [0]. It's similar to Leptos and Sycamore in that it's signals based, but I've put a lot of effort into making it ergonomic without resorting to a macro DSL. It supports all the usual things like SSR and hydration, along with a few nice extras like scoped CSS.
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Reminds me tha I need to check https://vale.dev/
This is another one that tries to attack the same surface area as rust but aims at being easier.
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It sounds like you want BokehJS. It was one of the alternatives I was recommended while I was exploring, but for various reasons my particular use case is not so easy to integrate (plus my backend was already in Rust).
https://github.com/bokeh/bokeh
I did do a basic test, and the raw rects-on-screen performance is roughly comparable to my final solution.
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Everybody is trying to make a more user-friendly Rust. The problem is that it is not clear yet whether that's possible, and if it is, how it may look. I know Vale and have tried it, though it's extremely early to judge anything so far. It does have a much stronger theoretical background than V, but even the theory is not completely clear at this point.
There is also Carp by the way: https://github.com/carp-lang/Carp
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Thanks for the ideas! Separating out presentation crate into it's own crate sounds like a great idea. Re "temporarily stopping rust-analyzer", I came across this trick[0] to make RA use a different build path (trading off disk-space for speed, but I mean, disk space is cheap).
Re: cranelift, I gotta check that out! Thanks for the reminder!
[0] https://github.com/rust-lang/rust-analyzer/issues/6007#issue...
