anvil-runtime VS nicegui

Founder here. Self hosting is a thing - just "pip install anvil-app-server"!

https://anvil.works/open-source

To be fair, it has a free tier which gives you most of Anvil's features and lets you build unlimited apps. There's also the open-source app server if you want to host your apps yourself and work around the paid tier's DB limits: https://github.com/anvil-works/anvil-runtime

The runtime is open source: https://github.com/anvil-works/anvil-runtime

https://github.com/anvil-works/anvil-runtime#using-the-stand...

The code is GNU AFFERO GENERAL PUBLIC LICENSE Version 3.

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Anvil is a platform for building web apps with nothing but Python - no HTML, CSS or JavaScript required. Anvil also comes with lots of built-in features like one-click deployment, databases, user authentication, email and the open-source app server.

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Web development is way too hard – Javascript, HTML, CSS, SQL, and frameworks coming out of your ears. So we built Anvil: a simpler way for anyone to build full-stack web apps, entirely in Python. Anvil is a web framework; it’s an online code editor; it’s a GUI builder; and it’s a hosting platform. And you’ll be helping us with all of it.

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It's rewarding work – developers love being introduced to Anvil (our stand is always crowded[0] at conferences!). Plus, there are all the advantages of an early-stage startup: lots of autonomy, and huge impact.

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Are you using the `--uplink-key` flag or `--client-uplink-key` flag when running your app with the app server? Anvil App Server - advanced config

I was looking at this space and nicegui seemed like the best ootb experience.

https://nicegui.io/

Dash is similar in spirit, as a "build web UIs with Python" framework. Dash seems more similar to nicegui (https://nicegui.io) architecturally than to Hyperdiv. Like nicegui, it builds a static dom that is then mutated via callbacks or data bindings.

By contrast, Hyperdiv lays out UI declaratively based on state, and when state changes, the app re-runs, generating an updated UI. Streamlit and Hyperdiv seem to work similarly, though I'm not sure how Streamlit handles state and state-based layout.

For native GUI, DearPyGui[0] as modern as you can.

For browser web-based GUI, you can use nicegui[1]

[0] -- https://github.com/hoffstadt/DearPyGui

[1] -- https://github.com/zauberzeug/nicegui

I want to bring to attention a set of frameworks that make webdevelopment using Python simple and fun. The popular opinion maybe that webpages developed with Python maybe slow. But this is not the case. Do checkout https://github.com/ofjustpy/ofjustpy/, https://github.com/zauberzeug/nicegui/ and https://github.com/justpy-org/justpy . All these frameworks are build on top of Starlette and make web development really easy. If you want simple and ready to use the nicegui is the choice. If you want fast, scalable, and more control then give ofjustpy a try.

Yes, NiceGUI aims for a very gentle learning curve. Coming from Streamlit I suspect your main adaptation will be that in NiceGUI you need to write valid Python code. Streamlit constantly reevaluates your script which feels nice and easy but creates lots of problems down the road. See https://github.com/zauberzeug/nicegui/discussions/21.

Auth is a big limitation. It's not a built-in component, they have [an example](https://github.com/zauberzeug/nicegui/blob/main/examples/aut...) using the FastAPI layer for auth, but I haven't had time the time to try implementing it. It's definitely not something you get out of the box with NiceGUI.

For scaling, I am viewing it mostly as an internal tool builder. I wouldn't recommend it for external applications. So as far as scaling an internal app I think it works fine. [Their website](https://nicegui.io) is built with NiceGUI, and it works fine, but you can feel the lag occasionally on some of their larger demo pages.

Well, I was at PyCon Ireland last weekend and I missed the NiceGUI talk. I hear postive things about it and anything shiney and anything frontend-related always catches my attention (although I admit talking to a friend when I missed this talk was just as fun, and it was worth it).