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5 months ago | 6 months ago | |
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GNU General Public License v3.0 or later | GNU General Public License v3.0 or later |
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mu
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Damn Small Linux 2024
Depending on how minimal a distribution you want, a few years ago I had a way to take a single ELF binary created by my computing stack built up from machine code (https://github.com/akkartik/mu) and package it up with just a linux kernel and syslinux (whatever _that_ is) to create a bootable disk image I could then ship to a cloud server (https://akkartik.name/post/iso-on-linode, though I don't use Linode anymore these days) and run on a VPS to create a truly minimal webserver. If this seems at all relevant I'd be happy to answer questions or help out.
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x86-64 Assembly Language Programming with Ubuntu by Ed Jorgensen
This was the thinking behind my https://github.com/akkartik/mu
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Plain Text. With Lines
Yes thank you, I was indeed alluding to https://github.com/akkartik/mu. Perhaps a more precise term would be "software stack".
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Inferno: A small operating system for building crossplatform distributed systems
I built a computer with its own languages, and I consider it to be _less_ cognitive load when everything is in 1/2/3 languages. I don't have to worry that the next program I want to read the sources will require "Go, Rust, C++, JS/TS, Python, Java, etc."
There are other metrics to consider besides your notions of cognitive load and productivity. Inferno predates most of the languages on your list. My computer (https://github.com/akkartik/mu) uses custom languages because I was able to design them to minimize total LoC, and to ensure the dependency graph has no cycles (unlike all of the conventional software stack, at least until https://www.gnu.org/software/mes connects up all the dots).
- Llisp: Lisp in Lisp
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10 Years Against Division of Labor in Software
"Separation of concerns is a hard-won insight."
Absolutely. I'm arguing for separating just concerns, without entangling them with considerations of people.
It's certainly reasonable to consider my projects toy. I consider them research:
* https://github.com/akkartik/mu
* https://github.com/akkartik/teliva
"The idea that projects should take source copies instead of library dependencies is just kind of nuts..."
The idea that projects should take copies seems about symmetric to me with taking pointers. Call by value vs call by reference. We just haven't had 50 years of tooling to support copies. Where would we be by now if we had devoted equal resources to both branches?
"...at least for large libraries."
How are these large libraries going for ya? Log4j wasn't exactly a shining example of the human race at its best. We're trying to run before we can walk.
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My self-hosting infrastructure, fully automated
I still believe :) I'm looking not for an economic argument but for a strategic one. I think[1] a self-hosted setup with minimal dependencies can be more resilient than a conventional one, whether with a vendor or self-hosted.
https://sandstorm.io got a lot right. I wish they'd paid more attention to upgrade burdens.
[1] https://github.com/akkartik/mu
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My 486 Server
I'm very interested in the network stack, having explored it for a while for https://github.com/akkartik/mu before giving up. What sort of network card do you support?
maru
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C Is Not a Low-level Language – Your computer is not a fast PDP-11
Well Forth is possibly the most minimal VM over a platform, as evidenced by openfirmware.
It does have problems scaling though, in that if you've seen one Forth, you've seen one Forth ie. The variations required to fit a platform make them semi-incompatible.
That's not to say that a more lispy Forth wouldn't be useful though, in that a concatenative syntax allows us to pass custom datastructures around like APL, and CPS (delimited continuations with lexically scoped dynamic binding would come from the lisp side (see https://github.com/manuel/wat-js).
Memory management in Forth can handle multiple memory types eg. https://flashforth.com/ so adding something like ref counting (https://github.com/zigalenarcic/minilisp/blob/main/main.c) to handle the dynamic list side of things might mesh well.
In any case, if you're looking for a self hosting lisp that runs on bare metal, https://github.com/attila-lendvai/maru has been out for a few years.
- Maru - a tiny self-hosting lisp dialect. Developed as part of Alan Kay's Fundamentals of New Computing.
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About making a self hosting programming language
Take a look at Maru. The github project has links to other similar projects.
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Why can't there be a LISP dialect/system that directly translates to optimal machine code?
That's the idea behind the Maru Project. It's a really cool concept and more people should know about it.
- lisp but small and low level?Does it make sense?
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SubX: A minimalist assembly language for a subset of the x86 ISA
Here's another interesting one I just noticed:
https://github.com/attila-lendvai/maru/blob/maru.10/source/a...
What are some alternatives?
cosmopolitan - build-once run-anywhere c library
Carp - A statically typed lisp, without a GC, for real-time applications.
mtpng - A parallelized PNG encoder in Rust
clasp - clasp Common Lisp environment
collapseos - Bootstrap post-collapse technology
femtolisp - a lightweight, robust, scheme-like lisp implementation
mirage - MirageOS is a library operating system that constructs unikernels
flpc - Forth Lisp Python Continuum: A small highly dynamic self-bootstrapping language
librope - UTF-8 rope library for C
sectorlisp - Bootstrapping LISP in a Boot Sector
teliva - Fork of Lua 5.1 to encourage end-user programming