affe VS embark

and another one, from the author of consult/vertico/..., minad, is affe: https://github.com/minad/affe

Why does it not mention affe from u/minad-emacs? https://github.com/minad/affe

If you don't mind, I have a bit of an unrelated question for you: What are your thoughts on Emac's existing multithreading support? For a few weeks now, I'm trying to do something practical with them, and found that they at least enable one thing: accept-process-output can be done without blocking the main thread (I have an small example and I'm preparing a blog post). I'm asking because I stumbled upon this project of yours: https://github.com/minad/affe and thought that it would be easier to implement with threads (with all their limitations). It would require careful coding so that the heavier computations don't block or starve the main thread, but I think it's possible, and would result in smaller and more performant code.

I found [affe.el](https://github.com/minad/affe), but I don't want to add this package if doom supports this kind of feature.

The closest thing you're looking for is affe it just uses completing-read in an async manner. The filtering is also done async so there is no lag. It supports emacs' completion styles, e.g. you can couple it with orderless.

Affe provides an asynchronous fuzzy finder similar to the fzf command-line fuzzy finder, written in pure Elisp. A producer process is started in the background, e.g., find, fd or ripgrep. The output produced by this process is filtered by an external asynchronous Emacs process. The Emacs UI always stays responsive since the work is completely off-loaded to other processes. The results are presented in the minibuffer using Consult, which allows to quickly select from the available items.

You may want to try my Affe, the Asynchronous Fuzzy Finder for Emacs, which works similarly to fzf and is fast, since the file list is generated only once and the filtering is performed in an external process on all files. However there is also no support for flex sorting, only filtering as offered by orderless.

embark. The one I always struggle to explain, so instead go read u/karthink's wonderful blog post about it! Prodded by u/minad-emacs, I just released version 1.0! 🎉

using embark, you need to set a keybind to embark, then use the ripgrep normally, when the minibuffer returns the results, call the embark via keybind and use embark-export, that is bind to E, then embark will create a buffer with the results from minibuffer

There seems to be some problem with straight not correctly installing or updating compat. See these issues on Marginalia and Embark where straight seems to not install Compat.

Surfingkeys looks pretty similar (though I have yet to try it); I'm just describing the experience poorly. You press f, little labels show up on the links (I called this "listing the links"), and you then press the keys on the label (the "select from" part). Probably me using the open in new tab command F (as opposed to open in current tab command f) did not help.

Not saying it's a bad experience. I find it's quite nice if I'm currently looking at the correct link so I can get the letters from the label easily.

It's just a different paradigm. If I didn't know what a link was, I wouldn't know that I could press f to open the link selection. This means I can't select a link unless I had a "select unknown" button, and then use that to inspect it.

Select unknown can be done with the keyboard: Emacs' embark[^1] is a good example of it. You use search/arrows to go to an interesting piece of text (e.g something underlined), run embark, and it lists all the potential things you can do with it (e.g open in external browser, or download an archived copy). It's just that keyboard UIs do not tend to be geared around it.

That though is the sort of thing the mouse is good at: you see something interesting, you prod it to see what you can do with it.

Say you saw a phrase you didn't understand in the browser. Currently, with a mouse you'd highlight it, right click, and then select the search with search engine option. With keyboard you'd open the search engine, and enter the phrase. Both get you to the same place.

Now if we extend the mouse to have a "I would like to know idioms better" option. You could just select the phrase, right click, and a definition could be there waiting for you next to the context menu. It could even be there on hover.

With the keyboard though, you'd generally run an "I would like to know idioms better" command. This would then ask you which idiom on the page would you like to understand. You then select it, and presto. A faster version could potentially have idiom meanings show up the moment you ran the command by a similar hover effect (or just listing all discovered idioms in a popup etc).

One of the differences here though is that from the mouse you still have a list of actions on the text open, so maybe if you liked the definition you could then copy the phrase.

This certainly could be done from the keyboard UI: just have it list other applicable commands that could be run on the selection generated from the command that searched for phrases. No reason why it could not then spawn something asking if you wanted to "(c)opy, c(u)t" etc like the context menu.

But that is only visible because there was a phrase you didn't know. If you didn't know that there was a command to define phrases, you wouldn't have found out. In theory you could have commands register everything they could act on, and then have another command let the user select an interactive thing, and list the commands that registered for it. I think that would be overwhelming though, as something like a dictionary command would register for every word.

Ultimately the mouse is just different then the keyboard, and I think that discarding it because you majorily use a keyboard is missing the interesting potential of having a tool that can interrogate arbitrary things on your screen.

[1]: https://github.com/oantolin/embark

It also comes with “batteries included,” containing several integrations with noteworthy packages, in particularEmbark, that you can take advantage of for nimbly interacting with your configs and clusters.

I have a cheap way to do this involving Embark and Consult: use consult-imenu as an embark action on an identifier. (You need consult-imenu here because it flattens the imenu hierarchy). Say you bind embark-act to C-., then you can put point on an identifier and type C-. C i and embark will run consult-imenu for you, type the identifier at the minibuffer prompt automatically, and if there is a single matching item, press RET for you too. (If more than one item matches, then you must select among them and press RET.)

I use embark and one of the options it gives on find-file is to open it via sudo (C-. s for me, and I think that's default bindings). So I would browse to the host at /ssh::/etc/foo/bar.conf and rather than just opening it hit C-. s.

I dunno—I like how Vertico+Counsel feel. I'm not sure how good the support for Orderless and Embark are in Ivy, but I really like how those packages compose so nicely with the Vertico+Consult ecosystem.

IV) Might there be a way to implement changing the sort order while the completing-read prompt is active? Or might it be a good idea to abandon completing-read completely for this and other features, like live editing? I am aware that some of this can be accomplished with Embark. Org tables and some other Emacs table libraries also go some way in this direction. The dream would be to have citar-like dynamic table construction + filtering + selection and Excel-like sorting + editing. Is anyone aware of any other package that goes into this direction?