SES-shim VS rubygems

I used E in the 90s: http://erights.org/

I haven't kept up with newer systems but I've heard of https://github.com/endojs/endo and just came across http://reports-archive.adm.cs.cmu.edu/anon/home/anon/isr2017... (which says "in the style of the E programming language" -- that's as far as I've read) while looking that up.

WebAssembly was designed to follow the same capability security principles. CHERI too as someone else just brought up.

There are other potential solutions I haven’t explored close enough (like Endo and SES), or completely omitted as they’re based on an imperfect blacklist-based approach to security (like sandboxed WebWorkers). However, the mentioned 4 solutions are the top contenders, at least in my mind.

I don't know why you are being silently downvoted, as I think it is worth talking about the potential of using static analysis to improve things.

One promising approach is Endo[0] which "uses LavaMoat to automatically generate reviewable policies that determine what capabilities will be distributed to third party dependencies."

[0] https://github.com/endojs/endo

Agoric moved forward and Realms gave way to SES

https://github.com/endojs/endo/tree/master/packages/ses

And Endo is a set of tools (being) built around it to make it more practical for particular usecases

Yea you could restrict the app by whitelisting only the network services and folders that it will use and that's pretty valuable though at least on Linux could already easily be achieved otherwise. It's good that Deno makes it easy but let's be honest, most people will just pass -A.

I'd love to see a permissions system on a library basis. It would ask the first time a dependency is added and when a new permission is requested after an update. Javascript doesn't make that easy though by being so dynamic. SES could maybe help: https://github.com/endojs/endo/blob/master/packages/ses/READ...

I was poking around on the internet a bit earlier and I found this project. It looks pretty cool, and I figured perhaps a few of y'all might find it cool too!

I have no idea if it actually sandboxes networking by default. This other project, endo[0], seems to add some of that functionality.

Regardless of the maturity though, it makes me excited to see this type of work getting done now!

(What made me want to research it was this[1] thread from the other day.)

0: https://github.com/endojs/endo

1: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30215212

Fortunately the problem could become more tractable if something like SES / Endo takes off:

"Endo protects program integrity both in-process and in distributed systems. SES protects local integrity, defending an application against supply chain attacks: hacks that enter through upgrades to third-party dependencies. Endo does this by encouraging the Principle of Least Authority. ... Endo uses LavaMoat to automatically generate reviewable policies that determine what capabilities will be distributed to third party dependencies."

https://github.com/endojs/endo

Yeah. JavaScript is probably the closest to being there (with things like SES[0], LavaMoat[1], etc.) but we're not quite there yet. It's just shocking that this sort of thing is as seemingly obscure as it is; it's like the whole industry has collectively thrown up their hands and said code execution is unavoidably radioactively dangerous. (While simultaneously using package managers that... well.) But it doesn't have to be!

[0] https://github.com/Agoric/ses-shim

[1] https://github.com/LavaMoat/LavaMoat

Fetching source index from https://rubygems.org/ Could not verify the SSL certificate for https://rubygems.org/quick/Marshal.4.8/nokogiri-1.13.10-x86_64-linux.gemspec.rz. There is a chance you are experiencing a man-in-the-middle attack, but most likely your system doesn't have the CA certificates needed for verification. For information about OpenSSL certificates, see http://bit.ly/ruby-ssl. To connect without using SSL, edit your Gemfile sources and change 'https' to 'http'

# Gemfile source 'https://rubygems.org' gem 'dotenv' gem 'json' gem 'pry' gem 'rake' gem 'sassc' gem 'sinatra' gem 'sinatra-activerecord' gem 'sinatra-contrib' gem 'sinatra-static-assets' group :development do gem 'foreman' gem 'rubocop' gem 'sqlite3', '~> 1.3', '>= 1.3.11' end group :test do gem 'rack-test' gem 'rspec', require: 'spec' end group :production do gem 'pg' end

mkdir myapp && cd myapp echo "source 'https://rubygems.org'" > Gemfile echo "gem 'rails', '7.1.3.2'" >> Gemfile bundle install bundle exec rails new . --force --database=postgresql -j=esbuild -c=tailwind

With Ruby installed, you can now manage your RubyGems with the gem command. Install the Rails gem or update if you already have it.

source 'https://rubygems.org'

# frozen_string_literal: true source 'https://rubygems.org' ruby '>= 3.2.2' gem 'aws-sdk-bedrockruntime'

RubyGems Environment: - RUBYGEMS VERSION: 3.4.10 - RUBY VERSION: 3.2.2 (2023-03-30 patchlevel 53) [arm64-darwin22] - INSTALLATION DIRECTORY: /Users/michaeldaross/.asdf/installs/ruby/3.2.2/lib/ruby/gems/3.2.0 - USER INSTALLATION DIRECTORY: /Users/michaeldaross/.gem/ruby/3.2.0 - RUBY EXECUTABLE: /Users/michaeldaross/.asdf/installs/ruby/3.2.2/bin/ruby - GIT EXECUTABLE: /usr/bin/git - EXECUTABLE DIRECTORY: /Users/michaeldaross/.asdf/installs/ruby/3.2.2/bin - SPEC CACHE DIRECTORY: /Users/michaeldaross/.gem/specs - SYSTEM CONFIGURATION DIRECTORY: /Users/michaeldaross/.asdf/installs/ruby/3.2.2/etc - RUBYGEMS PLATFORMS: - ruby - arm64-darwin-22 - GEM PATHS: - /Users/michaeldaross/.asdf/installs/ruby/3.2.2/lib/ruby/gems/3.2.0 - /Users/michaeldaross/.gem/ruby/3.2.0 - GEM CONFIGURATION: - :update_sources => true - :verbose => true - :backtrace => true - :bulk_threshold => 1000 - "gem" => "--no-document" - REMOTE SOURCES: - https://rubygems.org/ ...

Gem::Ext::BuildError: ERROR: Failed to build gem native extension. current directory: /usr/share/rvm/gems/ruby-2.7.5/gems/mysql2-0.5.5/ext/mysql2 /usr/share/rvm/rubies/ruby-2.7.5/bin/ruby -I /usr/share/rvm/rubies/ruby-2.7.5/lib/ruby/2.7.0 -r ./siteconf20231208-2396-1amnwp6.rb extconf.rb checking for rb_absint_size()... yes checking for rb_absint_singlebit_p()... yes checking for rb_gc_mark_movable()... yes checking for rb_wait_for_single_fd()... yes checking for rb_enc_interned_str() in ruby.h... no ----- Cannot find library dir(s) /home/julio/.rvm/usr/lib ----- *** extconf.rb failed *** Could not create Makefile due to some reason, probably lack of necessary libraries and/or headers. Check the mkmf.log file for more details. You may need configuration options. Provided configuration options: --with-opt-dir --without-opt-dir --with-opt-include --without-opt-include=${opt-dir}/include --with-opt-lib --without-opt-lib=${opt-dir}/lib --with-make-prog --without-make-prog --srcdir=. --curdir --ruby=/usr/share/rvm/rubies/ruby-2.7.5/bin/$(RUBY_BASE_NAME) --with-openssl-dir --with-openssl-dir --with-openssl-include --without-openssl-include=${openssl-dir}/include --with-openssl-lib --without-openssl-lib=${openssl-dir}/lib To see why this extension failed to compile, please check the mkmf.log which can be found here: /usr/share/rvm/gems/ruby-2.7.5/extensions/x86_64-linux/2.7.0/mysql2-0.5.5/mkmf.log extconf failed, exit code 1 Gem files will remain installed in /usr/share/rvm/gems/ruby-2.7.5/gems/mysql2-0.5.5 for inspection. Results logged to /usr/share/rvm/gems/ruby-2.7.5/extensions/x86_64-linux/2.7.0/mysql2-0.5.5/gem_make.out An error occurred while installing mysql2 (0.5.5), and Bundler cannot continue. Make sure that `gem install mysql2 -v '0.5.5' --source 'https://rubygems.org/'` succeeds before bundling.

Bundle complete! 14 Gemfile dependencies, 83 gems now installed. run bundle lock --add-platform=x86_64-linux Fetching gem metadata from https://rubygems.org/......... Resolving dependencies... Writing lockfile to C:/Users/****/Desktop/Projects/Rails/MyFirstProject/Gemfile.lock run bundle binstubs bundler rails importmap:install bin/rails aborted! Errno::ENOENT: No such file or directory - C:/Users/****/Desktop/Projects/Rails/MyFirstProject/Rakefile (Errno::ENOENT) :37:in `require' :37:in `require' bin/rails:4:in `' (See full trace by running task with --trace) rails turbo:install stimulus:install bin/rails aborted! Errno::ENOENT: No such file or directory - C:/Users/****/Desktop/Projects/Rails/MyFirstProject/Rakefile (Errno::ENOENT) :37:in `require' :37:in `require' bin/rails:4:in `' (See full trace by running task with --trace)

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