SES-shim VS dmca

I used E in the 90s: http://erights.org/

I haven't kept up with newer systems but I've heard of https://github.com/endojs/endo and just came across http://reports-archive.adm.cs.cmu.edu/anon/home/anon/isr2017... (which says "in the style of the E programming language" -- that's as far as I've read) while looking that up.

WebAssembly was designed to follow the same capability security principles. CHERI too as someone else just brought up.

There are other potential solutions I haven’t explored close enough (like Endo and SES), or completely omitted as they’re based on an imperfect blacklist-based approach to security (like sandboxed WebWorkers). However, the mentioned 4 solutions are the top contenders, at least in my mind.

I don't know why you are being silently downvoted, as I think it is worth talking about the potential of using static analysis to improve things.

One promising approach is Endo[0] which "uses LavaMoat to automatically generate reviewable policies that determine what capabilities will be distributed to third party dependencies."

[0] https://github.com/endojs/endo

Agoric moved forward and Realms gave way to SES

https://github.com/endojs/endo/tree/master/packages/ses

And Endo is a set of tools (being) built around it to make it more practical for particular usecases

Yea you could restrict the app by whitelisting only the network services and folders that it will use and that's pretty valuable though at least on Linux could already easily be achieved otherwise. It's good that Deno makes it easy but let's be honest, most people will just pass -A.

I'd love to see a permissions system on a library basis. It would ask the first time a dependency is added and when a new permission is requested after an update. Javascript doesn't make that easy though by being so dynamic. SES could maybe help: https://github.com/endojs/endo/blob/master/packages/ses/READ...

I was poking around on the internet a bit earlier and I found this project. It looks pretty cool, and I figured perhaps a few of y'all might find it cool too!

I have no idea if it actually sandboxes networking by default. This other project, endo[0], seems to add some of that functionality.

Regardless of the maturity though, it makes me excited to see this type of work getting done now!

(What made me want to research it was this[1] thread from the other day.)

0: https://github.com/endojs/endo

1: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30215212

Fortunately the problem could become more tractable if something like SES / Endo takes off:

"Endo protects program integrity both in-process and in distributed systems. SES protects local integrity, defending an application against supply chain attacks: hacks that enter through upgrades to third-party dependencies. Endo does this by encouraging the Principle of Least Authority. ... Endo uses LavaMoat to automatically generate reviewable policies that determine what capabilities will be distributed to third party dependencies."

https://github.com/endojs/endo

Yeah. JavaScript is probably the closest to being there (with things like SES[0], LavaMoat[1], etc.) but we're not quite there yet. It's just shocking that this sort of thing is as seemingly obscure as it is; it's like the whole industry has collectively thrown up their hands and said code execution is unavoidably radioactively dangerous. (While simultaneously using package managers that... well.) But it doesn't have to be!

[0] https://github.com/Agoric/ses-shim

[1] https://github.com/LavaMoat/LavaMoat

Every DMCA takedown notice in https://github.com/github/dmca is a net win for git as a decentralized version control system, especially for repositories that require signed commits. Unfortunately, some people upload only a snapshot of their repository working directory instead of... using git like it is supposed to be used I guess?

I’m with you thus far, but I’m trying to parse the notice to see why GitHub is even complying (see https://github.com/github/dmca/blob/master/2024/03/2024-03-1... ) and I think Torrentfreak got it wrong. I think they’re trying to claim infringement on Plex Server, but the English in the takedown notice is barely legible (and it feels like a mixup between trademarks and copyright), to the point that I find GitHub’s compliance odd.

Text of tweet thread:

Hello everyone. We have some unfortunate news to share with you.

Today, we received a DMCA takedown from Valve on all our public GitHub repositories and all its forks made by the community.

https://github.com/github/dmca/blob/master/2024/01/2024-01-1...

While we were discussing the project's future internally recently, we already came to the conclusion to stop the development of the project due to the current state of the code being unusable anymore with s&box's recent major engine changes, and that we overall moved on from it.

Sadly, this means this DMCA takedown is the nail in the coffin. We cannot bring it back and we've hit Valve's attention, it seems like they definitely don't want us to use their IP (which is totally fair and legal from them).

DMCA from GitHub: https://github.com/github/dmca/blob/master/2023/10/2023-10-10-mazda.md

https://github.com/github/dmca/blob/master/2023/10/2023-10-10-mazda.md

https://www.thedrive.com/news/mazda-slaps-developer-with-cease-and-desist-for-diy-smart-home-integration

https://web.archive.org/web/20231014070536/https://old.reddit.com/r/homeassistant/comments/1771ywu/removal_of_mazda_connected_services_integration/

https://community.home-assistant.io/t/mazda-connected-service/354221

https://community.home-assistant.io/t/removal-of-mazda-connected-services-integration/625885/36

https://www.home-assistant.io/

https://youtu.be/l2qKEkG29gI

https://youtu.be/NfiIXooD77s

https://youtu.be/PrtbYu1OYhY

https://youtu.be/nigJMu0lUbM

https://youtu.be/qLlxOD5IHYc

> Is there anything that average folk can do against these notices when they're sent to companies like GitHub?

They can file a counter-notice, commit to accepting service of process if the other party wants to sue, and wait 10-14 days. There's a guide at https://docs.github.com/en/site-policy/content-removal-polic... and there are plenty of example counter-notices in the https://github.com/github/dmca repo.

From the posted notice[1], they answered "No" to the question "Do you claim to have any technological measures in place to control access to your copyrighted content? Please see our Complaints about Anti-Circumvention Technology if you are unsure." Is that the same thing you are referencing?

[1] https://github.com/github/dmca/blob/master/2023/10/2023-10-1...