LetsShip VS FrameworkBenchmarks

I have two DigitalOcean sites on the same VPS just serving from kestrel behind an nginx reverse proxy and then one site on a Hetzner VPS where I was playing around with k3s.

For digitalocean I followed this post which is probably way out of date now https://www.hanselman.com/blog/publishing-an-aspnet-core-web...

For the k3s site the source is here https://github.com/EliotJones/LetsShip/blob/main/kubernetes/... though worth noting I have set up LetsEncrypt incorrectly but that's my lack of k3s understanding.

This - https://github.com/EliotJones/LetsShip - hopefully gets you some of the way, it uses VS on Windows for development but I can't imagine the experience in Rider or VS Code for Linux is too disimilar. Individual steps here https://github.com/EliotJones/LetsShip/tree/main/docs/posts

I need to complete the full guide at some point but the end result is an application deployed on Linux with both a web app and independently scalable crawling services with zero downtime deployments. Hosted site here: https://pricefalcon.me/

For a simpler deployment without k3s, this guide is the one I originally followed for my trends site and should still work for .NET 6. https://www.hanselman.com/blog/publishing-an-aspnet-core-web...

One example here https://github.com/EliotJones/LetsShip/blob/main/src/PriceFalcon.JobRunner/Worker.cs#L111 where I have several agent applications each of which may start up to 5 jobs, a job can take a couple of minutes to execute and while running the same request twice isn't the end of the world I'd prefer to avoid it. I use FOR UPDATE when selecting to take an update lock on the row in postgres (similar functionality hopefully exists for your DB).

I just build out a new MVP site for the purposes of a tutorial with .NET 5 and jQuery with some slightly complex front-end requirements (an interactive iFrame that validates user selections server-side on click) and though it may need to move to an SPA if it got more complex for now jQuery is fine (though assuming IE support is not needed I could have probably just used raw JS instead). https://github.com/EliotJones/LetsShip

I've done a complete 180 on this too, I realised I was reacting from my default position of hostility to new concepts rather than an honest appraisal. I am writing it up at the moment but I've been working on a 1 person SAAS MVP tutorial [0] and though I've definitely misconfigured something having the ability to go from git push to deployed to production with 0 downtime inside of 5 minutes with no manual steps is such a nice flow, versus my previous attempts of SCP and faffing around with services.

[0]: https://github.com/EliotJones/LetsShip

Neat. Thanks for sharing!

Interestingly, may-minihttp is faring very well in the TechEmpower benchmark [1], for whatever those benchmarks are worth. The code is also surprisingly straightforward [2].

[1] https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/

[2] https://github.com/TechEmpower/FrameworkBenchmarks/blob/mast...

ntex was formed after a schism in actix-web and Rust safety/unsafety, with ntex allowing more unsafe code for better performance.

ntex is at the top of the TechEmpower benchmarks, although those benchmarks are not apples-to-apples since each uses its own tricks: https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/#hw=ph&test=fortune&s...

Ruby is slow. Very slow. How much you may ask? https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/#hw=ph&test=fortune&s... fastest Ruby entry is at 272th place. Sure, top entries tend to have questionable benchmark-golfing implementations, but it gives you a good primer on the overhead imposed by Ruby.

It is also not early 00s anymore, when you pick an interpreted language, you are not getting "better productivity and tooling". In fact, most interpreted languages lag behind other major languages significantly in the form of JS/TS, Python and Ruby suffering from different woes when it comes to package management and publishing. I would say only TS/JS manages to stand apart with being tolerable, and Python sometimes too by a virtue of its popularity and the amount of information out there whenever you need to troubleshoot.

If you liked Go but felt it being a too verbose to your liking, give .NET a try. I am advocating for it here on HN mostly for fun but it is, in fact, highly underappreciated, considered unsexy and boring while it's anything but after a complete change of trajectory in the last 3-5 years. It is actually the* stack people secretly want but simply don't know about because it is bundled together with Java in the public perception.

*productive CLI tooling, high performance, works well in a really wide range of workloads from low to high level, by far the best ORM across all languages and back-end framework that is easier to work with than Node.JS while consuming 0.1x resources

Although that seems to have improved in recent years.

https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/#hw=ph&test=json§...

RoR and whatever C++ based web backend there is count as a valid comparison in my book. But comparing the languages itself is maybe a bit off.

On a side note, you can actually compare their performance here if you’re really curious. But take it with a grain of salt since these are synthetic benchmarks.

https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks

Most benchmarks you'll find essentially have someone's thumb on the scale (intentionally or unintentionally). Most people won't know the different languages well enough to create comparable implementations and if you let different people create the implementations, cheating happens. The TechEmpower benchmarks aren't bad, but many implementations put their thumb on the scale (https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks). For example, a lot of the Go implementations avoid the GC by pre-allocating/reusing structs or allocate arrays knowing how big they need to be in advance (despite that being against the rules). At some point, it becomes "how many features have you turned off." Some Go http routers (like fasthttp and those built off it like Atreugo and Fiber) aren't actually correct and a lot of people in the Go community discourage their use, but they certainly top the benchmarks. Gin and Echo are usually the ones that are well-respected in the Go community.

There is certainly a lot of speculation in Techempower benchmarks and top entries can utilize questionable techniques like simply writing a byte array literal to output stream instead of constructing a response, or (in the past) DB query coalescing to work around inherent limitations of the DB in case of Fortunes or DB quries.

And yet, the fastest Ruby entry is at 274th place while Rails is at 427th.

https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/#hw=ph&test=fortune&s...

oh what machine? with how many workers? doing what?

search for "node" on this page: https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/#section=data-r21

JustJS would like a word https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/#section=data-r20&tes...

In terms of RPS, this web service is more-or-less the fortunes benchmark in the techempower benchmarks, once the data hits the cache: https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/#section=data-r21

Or, at least, they would be after applying optimizations to them.

In short, both of these would serve more rps than you will likely ever need on even the lowest end virtual machines. The underlying API provider will probably cut you off from querying them before you run out of RPS.