JUCE VS sciter

Personally, I started by writing externals for Pure Data, then started to contribute to the care. Later I took the same path for SuperCollider.

The more typical path, I guess, would be to start with simple audio plugins. Have a look at JUCE (https://juce.com/)!

Realtime audio programming has some rather strict requirements that you don't have in most other software. Check out this classic article: http://www.rossbencina.com/code/real-time-audio-programming-...

Check out https://juce.com in the meantime

You can definitely start putting C++ into your embedded projects, and get familiar with things in an environment in which you're already operating. A lot of great C++ code can be found with motivated use of, for example, the platformio tooling, such that you can see for yourself some existing C++ In Embedded scenarios.

In general, also, I have found that it is wise to learn C++ socially - i.e. participate in Open Source projects, as you learn/study/contribute/assist other C++ developers, on a semi-regular basis.

I've learned a lot about what I would call "decent C++ code" (i.e. shipping to tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of customers) from such projects. I would suggest finding an open source C++ project, aligned with your interests, and study the codebase - as well as the repo history (i.e. gource) - to get a productive, relatively effortless (if the interests align) boost into the subject.

(My particular favourite project is the JUCE Audio library: https://juce.com/ .. one of many hundreds of great projects out there from which one can also glean modern C++ practices..)

Respect for the others here who recommend C but I think they’re possibly masochists. If anything JUCE, which uses C++ is in my opinion far more approachable.

Here's a link to their website: https://juce.com/

It seems like most audio plug-ins are built in C++ inside an audio coding program called JUCE, so maybe if I could open up the exisiting code inside that and then output it as an AU instead of a VST that could work.

C++ has https://juce.com/, I think.

Open source rule https://juce.com/

> wondering if css and svg could be used as abstraction over graphics and UI libraries

There's another project called Sciter that uses CSS to target native graphics libraries: https://sciter.com

> I wonder how hard it was to implement css. I've heard it can be pretty complex.

It was hard, but the biggest barrier is the obscurity of the knowledge.

Text layout is the hardest, because working with glyphs and iterating them in reverse for RTL is brain-breaking. And line wrapping gets really complicated. It's also the most obscure because nobody has written down everything you need to know in one place. After I finished block layout early on, I had to stop for a couple of years (only working a few hours a week though) and learn all of the ins, outs, dos, and don'ts around shaping and itemizing text. A lot of that I learned by reading Pango's [1] source code, and a lot I pieced together from Google searches.

But other than that, the W3C specifications cover almost everything. The CSS2 standard [2] is one of the most beautiful things I've ever read. It's internally consistent, concise, and obviously the result of years of deliberation, trial and error. (CSS3 is great, but CSS2 is the bedrock for everything).

[1] https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/pango/

otherwise, if we have only retained mode as in browsers, we will need to modify the DOM heavily and create temporary elements for handles.

[1] https://sciter.com

I've still never used it but I've long been curious about Sciter:

https://sciter.com

These bullet points are exactly what I did in Sciter (https://sciter.com)

- Windowing

-- Tabs

-- Menus

-- Painting

-- Animation

-- Text

-The compositor

-Handling input

-- Pointer input

-- Keyboard input

- Accessibility

- Internationalization and localization

- Cross-platform APIs

- The web view

- Native look and feel

On top of that DOM and CSS implementations to achieve declarative UI. And JS as a languuage behind UI - declarative in some sense way of defining UI behavior.

I'm not sure if it can support all the libraries but yes it can be used to make desktop apps. Theres also Sciter.

https://sciter.com/