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Project mention: If you can't reproduce the model then it's not open-source | news.ycombinator.com | 2024-01-17I think the process of data acquisition isn't so clear-cut. Take CERN as an example: they release loads of data from various experiments under the CC0 license [1]. This isn't just a few small datasets for classroom use; we're talking big-league data, like the entire first run data from LHCb [2].
On their portal, they don't just dump the data and leave you to it. They've got guides on analysis and the necessary tools (mostly open source stuff like ROOT [3] and even VMs). This means anyone can dive in. You could potentially discover something new or build on existing experiment analyses. This setup, with open data and tools, ticks the boxes for reproducibility. But does it mean people need to recreate the data themselves?
Ideally, yeah, but realistically, while you could theoretically rebuild the LHC (since most technical details are public), it would take an army of skilled people, billions of dollars, and years to do it.
This contrasts with open source models, where you can retrain models using data to get the weights. But getting hold of the data and the cost to reproduce the weights is usually prohibitive. I get that CERN's approach might seem to counter this, but remember, they're not releasing raw data (which is mostly noise), but a more refined version. Try downloading several petabytes of raw data if not; good luck with that. But for training something like a LLM, you might need the whole dataset, which in many cases have its own problems with copyrights…etc.
[1] https://opendata.cern.ch/docs/terms-of-use
[2] https://opendata.cern.ch/docs/lhcb-releases-entire-run1-data...
[3] https://root.cern/
Project mention: Potential of the Julia programming language for high energy physics computing | news.ycombinator.com | 2023-12-04> I wasn't proposing ROOT to be reimplemented in JS. That was what the GP attributed to me.
Sorry for assuming that. I really felt the pain of thinking of possibility of combining two things I hate so much together (JS+ROOT)
> "Laypeople" may also think that code is optimized to the last cycle in something like HEP simulations. It's made fast enough and the optimization is nowhere near the level of e.g. graphics heavy games.
I understand that in other areas there might be more sophisticated optimizations, but does not change things much inside HEP field community. And it is not optimized only for simulations but for other things too. It is not one problem optimization.
> Real-time usage like high frequency large data collection will probably never happen on the "single language". But I'd guess ROOT is not used at that level either? Also at least last time I checked, ROOT is moving to Python (probably not for the hottest loops of the simulation though).
I did not mean to indicate that ROOT is being used to handle the online processing (In HEP terms). It is usually handled via optimized C++ compiled code. My idea is that you will probably never use JS or any interpreted language (or anything other than C++ to be pessimistic) for that. ROOT at the end of the day is much closer to C++ than anything else. So learning curve wouldn't be that much if you come with some C++ knowledge initially.
> Also at least last time I checked, ROOT is moving to Python (probably not for the hottest loops of the simulation though).
I think you mean PyROOT [1]? This is the official python ROOT interface It provides a set of Python bindings to the ROOT C++ libraries, allowing Python scripts to interact directly with ROOT classes and methods as if they were native Python. But that does not represent and re-writing. It makes things easier for end users who are doing analysis though, while be efficient in terms of performance, especially for operations that are heavily optimized in ROOT.
There is also uproot [2] which is a purely Python-based reader and writer of ROOT files. It is not a part of the official ROOT project and does not depend on the ROOT libraries. Instead, uproot re-implements the I/O functionalities of ROOT in Python. However, it does not provide an interface to the full range of ROOT functionalities. It is particularly useful for integrating ROOT data into a Python-based data analysis pipeline, where libraries like NumPy, SciPy, Matplotlib, and Pandas ..etc are used.
> Off-topic: C++ interpretation like done in ROOT seems like a really bad idea.)
I will agree with you. But to be fair the purpose of ROOT is interactive data analysis but over the decades a lot of things gets added, and many experiments had their own soft forks and things started to get very messy quickly. So that there is no much inertia to fix problems and introduce improvements.
[1] https://root.cern/manual/python/
[2] https://github.com/scikit-hep/uproot5
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What are some of the best open-source root-cern projects? This list will help you:
| Project | Stars | |
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| 1 | root | 2,422 |
| 2 | hep | 229 |
| 3 | uproot5 | 218 |
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