Proposed: A new CMake scripting language usable alongside existing one

• keepassxc

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Heh, this comment reminded me of those "The Tao of ..." - in your case Make; "smack, and the novice was thus enlightened" :-D

Based on your PoV, I'm guessing pkg-config is similarly misguided, since those fools allow the end user to specify the prefix, includedir, libdir, and any cflags and ldflags for ther setup. Pssh, idiots. If they'd just "sudo make install" everything, they'd be enlightened

> Presumably all of those are tested in CI on each PR?

Clearly not "2^26 possibilities," but not "linux/amd64 or gtfo" either: https://github.com/keepassxreboot/keepassxc/releases/tag/2.7...

• xmake

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CMake needs to go

There are much better alternatives:

https://xmake.io/

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• sapling

  43 5,815 10.0 Rust

  A Scalable, User-Friendly Source Control System.

  

> I also never got why we need DSLs for build systems

The same reason they show up anywhere: to have the correct level of abstraction, or its cousin "signal/noise ratio." Trying to debug "gcc -o build build.cc && ./build" sounds like the 8th circle of hell to me. I can show a concrete example: https://github.com/facebook/sapling/blob/0.1.20221201-095354... So, when this raises OSError or FileNotFoundError due to some botched assumption, I guess one just attaches pdb to it and now your job is to be a python expert

Or, my other favorite "what is wrong with you:" https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/file/FIREFOX_NIGHTLY_...

Or, so as to not just be hating on python, this junk: https://github.com/brave/brave-browser/blob/v1.48.33/package... and its https://github.com/brave/brave-core/blob/master/build/comman... friend

All of those are in a general purpose programming language, and they require spelunking through thousands of lines of code to surface the actual commands and dependencies that are buried therein. And, if you become a domain expert in mach, where else are you going to apply that expertise?

• brave-browser

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  Brave browser for Android, iOS, Linux, macOS, Windows.

  

> I also never got why we need DSLs for build systems

The same reason they show up anywhere: to have the correct level of abstraction, or its cousin "signal/noise ratio." Trying to debug "gcc -o build build.cc && ./build" sounds like the 8th circle of hell to me. I can show a concrete example: https://github.com/facebook/sapling/blob/0.1.20221201-095354... So, when this raises OSError or FileNotFoundError due to some botched assumption, I guess one just attaches pdb to it and now your job is to be a python expert

Or, my other favorite "what is wrong with you:" https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/file/FIREFOX_NIGHTLY_...

Or, so as to not just be hating on python, this junk: https://github.com/brave/brave-browser/blob/v1.48.33/package... and its https://github.com/brave/brave-core/blob/master/build/comman... friend

All of those are in a general purpose programming language, and they require spelunking through thousands of lines of code to surface the actual commands and dependencies that are buried therein. And, if you become a domain expert in mach, where else are you going to apply that expertise?

• brave-core

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> I also never got why we need DSLs for build systems

The same reason they show up anywhere: to have the correct level of abstraction, or its cousin "signal/noise ratio." Trying to debug "gcc -o build build.cc && ./build" sounds like the 8th circle of hell to me. I can show a concrete example: https://github.com/facebook/sapling/blob/0.1.20221201-095354... So, when this raises OSError or FileNotFoundError due to some botched assumption, I guess one just attaches pdb to it and now your job is to be a python expert

Or, my other favorite "what is wrong with you:" https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/file/FIREFOX_NIGHTLY_...

Or, so as to not just be hating on python, this junk: https://github.com/brave/brave-browser/blob/v1.48.33/package... and its https://github.com/brave/brave-core/blob/master/build/comman... friend

All of those are in a general purpose programming language, and they require spelunking through thousands of lines of code to surface the actual commands and dependencies that are buried therein. And, if you become a domain expert in mach, where else are you going to apply that expertise?

• javawriter

  10 10,693 6.2 Java

  A Java API for generating .java source files.

  

> can you show an example of how you'd parse, say, a .java.in

The canonical way to do such a thing is through the java annotation processing api [1] and using a tool like java poet [2]. Before you did that, you'd probably decide if you wanted to instead use bytecode generation with a library like bytebuddy [3]

But, assuming for some reason, you wanted to torture yourself and actually consume a java.in file and apply a regex, then you'd probably pull out the "maven-replacer-plugin" [4] and configure that for the task at hand. (or use your favorite templating language plugin. There's a million of them).

Though, to be fair, this really isn't something that comes up in regular java programming due to the nature of the ecosystem. Anything you'd want to codegen likely already has a library and anything you didn't would receive (legitimate) push back.

[1] https://www.baeldung.com/java-annotation-processing-builder

[2] https://github.com/square/javapoet

[3] https://bytebuddy.net/

[4] https://github.com/beiliubei/maven-replacer-plugin

• Byte Buddy

  5 6,012 9.0 Java

  Runtime code generation for the Java virtual machine.

> can you show an example of how you'd parse, say, a .java.in

The canonical way to do such a thing is through the java annotation processing api [1] and using a tool like java poet [2]. Before you did that, you'd probably decide if you wanted to instead use bytecode generation with a library like bytebuddy [3]

But, assuming for some reason, you wanted to torture yourself and actually consume a java.in file and apply a regex, then you'd probably pull out the "maven-replacer-plugin" [4] and configure that for the task at hand. (or use your favorite templating language plugin. There's a million of them).

Though, to be fair, this really isn't something that comes up in regular java programming due to the nature of the ecosystem. Anything you'd want to codegen likely already has a library and anything you didn't would receive (legitimate) push back.

[1] https://www.baeldung.com/java-annotation-processing-builder

[2] https://github.com/square/javapoet

[3] https://bytebuddy.net/

[4] https://github.com/beiliubei/maven-replacer-plugin

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• maven-replacer-plugin

  1 13 10.0 Java

  based on http://code.google.com/p/maven-replacer-plugin

> can you show an example of how you'd parse, say, a .java.in

The canonical way to do such a thing is through the java annotation processing api [1] and using a tool like java poet [2]. Before you did that, you'd probably decide if you wanted to instead use bytecode generation with a library like bytebuddy [3]

But, assuming for some reason, you wanted to torture yourself and actually consume a java.in file and apply a regex, then you'd probably pull out the "maven-replacer-plugin" [4] and configure that for the task at hand. (or use your favorite templating language plugin. There's a million of them).

Though, to be fair, this really isn't something that comes up in regular java programming due to the nature of the ecosystem. Anything you'd want to codegen likely already has a library and anything you didn't would receive (legitimate) push back.

[1] https://www.baeldung.com/java-annotation-processing-builder

[2] https://github.com/square/javapoet

[3] https://bytebuddy.net/

[4] https://github.com/beiliubei/maven-replacer-plugin

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