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This is the one I am talking about : https://github.com/vector-im/element-android/issues/516
Same issue is discussed here : https://github.com/vector-im/element-android/issues/1192
The first mention of it is 2.5 years old.
For my non tech friend this was so annoying (whatever she tried that stuck message was still there) that she wanted
Wouldn't Signal Desktop be a way to make backups?
I moved my home directory to a new computer and Signal Desktop started like if something changed. Sure you lose your messages on your phone, but you can still access them on your computer if needed.
On a rooted Android phone, you could use oandbackup to backup Signal. If you care about these things, maybe consider using a rooted Android phone?
I agree with you on the centralized platform aspect and the use of phone number (which is both a blessing (this makes it easy for new users to join) and a curse). I also agree with you on Element's UX, but it's getting better and most people can use it fine. I have a few groups on both apps.
I personally prefer Element, which seems more open than Signal and which I can actually use correctly on the PinePhone. Axolotl [1] still needs some work.
[1] https://github.com/nanu-c/axolotl
I'm not OP but a while ago I wrote this comment which you responded to:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27206569
Since then basically none of the specific bugs I cared about (that I think could be unbearable to me, some of them definitely are, not sure about all), which are: 8751, 9437, 9811, 10287, 10577, 13263, 13485, 14323, 14424, 15416, 15565, 16123, 16184, 16763, and 16807, all these were all opened before my comment, and everything earlier than 16184 is more than one year old and still open. Maybe one of those is miok's. Newer ones raised since then that also look important at first glance: 20046, 20005, 19929, 18458, 17838, 17218.
Also there is this closed bug still attracting comments: https://github.com/vector-im/element-web/issues/15500#issuec....
As much as I hate NPS scores in the industry, I think these bugs are preventing Matrix from getting new promoters.
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