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> That is fine, as far as it goes, but obviously this will, at some point, be at odds with the interests of programmers looking to use Haskell as a practical, stable tool.
That's what Stackage is.
Stackage provides consistent sets of Haskell packages, known to build together and pass their tests before becoming Stackage Nightly snapshots and LTS (Long Term Support) releases. [1]
Java will never get this.
[1] https://www.stackage.org/
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I went to the same meetup (ZuriHac), and arrived at the opposite conclusion.
I gave a lightning talk there on how the Haskell job market has been growing steadily since 2008 [1] [2].
The GHC bug tracker is full of new people filing bugs from production environments.
Consultancy blogs such as [3] regularly show industry-sponsored improvements to GHC, which was much more infrequent 10 years ago.
A this year's ZuriHac, around 50% of attendees were new to Haskell / had never visited ZuriHac before (this was an audience question).
In the past, there were a few well-known companies that used Haskell, in specific niches. Today, the big niches are diminished, and there are more companies that use it in more niches.
> the developer experience and ecosystem for Haskell is as bad as it was
The developer experience improved significantly over the last years.
Today, you can get a good quality IDE environment with VSCode and Haskell-Language-Server that works in both simple and complex environments, and includes all the features you'd expect (completions, immediate type error checking, scoped renames, go-to-definition, find-all-references, call hierarchy, docs-on-hover).
[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36742311
[2] https://github.com/nh2/haskell-jobs-statistics
[3] https://well-typed.com/blog/
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Have you had a look at Coconut? I don't know if it'll push all your buttons but whenever I hear someone who's reasonably content with Python but wants more FP goodies I always think of it. https://github.com/evhub/coconut . It's basically a superset of Python3 that transpiles into Python3 and is compatible with MyPy. I don't think I'd code Python w/o it ever again assuming I had the choice. The biggest negative for me is that there's no IDE support for the language last I looked, though of course you can work with the transpiler output (plain Python) in your favorite Python IDE. It might be fun to play around with, I know that I really enjoyed it but then I got spoiled by the language+tooling of Scala3, but if you don't have that option ...
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Hoogle is really amazing!
Inspired by it, I implemented something similar for FunctionalPlus (a functional-programming library for C++): https://www.editgym.com/fplus-api-search/
I'd love to see more projects taking this path too. :)
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Ah, didn't run into this issue, as I don't use vscode.
Apparently there is some work being done to improve the stack <> hls experience, but I wouldn't know how it's going and when it's being delivered: https://github.com/commercialhaskell/stack/issues/6154
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