xtdb VS shadow-cljs

You don't necessarily need to embed it into the programming language itself to get a ton of value. XTDB (https://github.com/xtdb/xtdb) offer a Clojure, Java and HTTP API for interacting with the database, which is bitemporal and lets you query the database for a specific point in time for example.

XTDB is a bitemporal and dynamic relational database for SQL and Datalog, written in Clojure. The Python application I work on uses XTDB for its bitemporal and schema-less nature. There were a few Python clients that looked unmaintained and lacked some features we needed, so I tried to build something that would have fit our own requirements in hindsight. This includes:

it's bitemporal, will be SQL-compatible, and also has another query-language - XTQL :

https://github.com/xtdb/xtdb/tree/2.x/dev/xtql

You can also consider other durable Datalog options like datahike or datalevin which can work either as lib (SQLite style) or in a client-server setup; if you want to play with bi-temporality XTDB is a rock solid option with very good support and documentation.

You could look into http://xtdb.com/ if you want an open source alternative

XTDB, or Cross-Time Database, is a distributed and transactional database system designed to handle complex and changing data with ease. It is based on a bitemporal model, which allows for the tracking of both the valid time and transaction time of data, enabling powerful and flexible querying capabilities. With XTDB, developers can work with immutable data structures, which simplifies development and improves reliability. Its graph query language, Datalog, provides a powerful and expressive way to navigate relationships within the data.

* Single-Page App: shadow-cljs for the build concerns (https://github.com/thheller/shadow-cljs), Reagent with Re-frame for complex/large app (https://reagent-project.github.io and https://github.com/day8/re-frame). Even if we now prefer using HTMX (https://htmx.org) and server-side rendering (Hiccup way of manipulating HTML is just amazing, https://github.com/weavejester/hiccup).

Now, add shadow-cljs.

Work with latest shadow-cljs (& closure compiler) #890

You can already develop with ClojureScript on the back-end. A popular ClojureScript compiler, Shadow-CLJS (https://github.com/thheller/shadow-cljs) has a target for Node among many others.

Hi, I'm looking at Clojurescript again after not having paid attention to it after several years. Are you saying that shadow-cljs does something to deal with the, "I have no idea if this library I want to use works with the Google Closure compiler," problem? If so, what? I'd really like to know.

I don't know, the community in general tend to use macros that are well written. I keep seeing core.async being used (`go`) in Clojure projects, and also various macros for writing HTTP servers (compojure being a popular one which main code interface is a macro `defroutes`).

ClojureScript projects also routinely add support for making asynchronous code look synchronous (like `async/await` in vanilla JavaScript) via macros. shadow-cljs's `js-await` being one of the well-written ones: https://github.com/thheller/shadow-cljs/blob/49fb078b834e64f...

Usage:

    (defn my-async-fn [foo]

Unclear what "rendering a webpage" entails exactly.

If you want to do frontend development, you can give shadow-cljs a try, the quickstart is pretty quick: https://github.com/thheller/shadow-cljs#quick-start

If you want to just render server-side HTML, something like compojure (HTTP routing) and hiccup (Clojure data -> HTML) is pretty easy and quick to get started with (https://gist.github.com/zehnpaard/2071c3f55ed319aa8528d54d90...).

If you want to generate HTML files to serve with nginx/whatever, you can just use hiccup and `(spit)` the resulting HTML to files on disk.