xforms VS babashka

Maybe https://github.com/cgrand/xforms The for transducer might help, just as the for comprehension helps unpack and map/filter nested stuff.

cgrand/xforms is a very useful hidden gem, if you like transducers/eager evaluation/solving map-vals without meander/specter.

* It's fast enough for 99% of apps out of the box. It's fast enough for 99.99% of the apps with minimal tuning.

* Yes, if your project is very big and macro heavy, it can take some time, but startup times have improved. In any case, I BARELY need to restart my development JVM. I have one currently running that I haven't restarted for 1 week+.

* Depending on what's your cup of tea, there's emacs/CIDER or IntelliJ/Cursive. They both work well. IntelliJ/Cursive is an excellent IDE combination. I use it every day.

* Java interop is very straightforward, not sure what you mean. Sure your code might not be all pure anymore, but that's the price for solving actual problems.

* Good java libraries have wrappers. A ton of original Clojure libraries as well. https://github.com/cgrand/xforms for example allows you to easily do things that I can't even imagine doing in an imperative language.

* Static vs dynamic typing: don't want to get into that.

* "Clojurescript isn't the same language". I use both Clojure and ClojureScript every day and as far as Clojure-only code is concerned, it works in both languages 99.99% of the time. One case you can encounter issues is if you do something host-specific, like dealing with numbers. That's by design. Clojure embraces each host, does not try to reinvent it. When you just use pure Clojure data structure manipulation, it works the same across both languages and works like magic.

It also gives you access to Babashka if you want Clojure for other use-cases where start-up time is an issue

https://babashka.org/

I've tried researching this myself and can't find too much. There's this project metaes which is an mci for JS, and there's the SCI module of the Clojure babashka project, but that's about it. I also saw Triska's video on mci but it was pretty theoretical.

Created by the same guy who created babashka which is a way to write bash scripts, node scripts, and even apple scripts using Clojure. A very proficient and influential developer in the Clojure community. This is how borkduke's neil helps us:

Not what you asked for but there is Babashka for scripting in Clojure.

https://github.com/babashka/babashka

Clojure's lazy sequences by default are wonderful ergonomically, but it provides many ways to use strict evaluation if you want to. They aren't really a hassle either. I've been doing Clojure for the last few years and have a few grievances, but overall it's the most coherent, well thought out language I've used and I can't recommend it enough.

There is the issue of startup time with the JVM, but you can also do AOT compilation now so that really isn't a problem. Here are some other cool projects to look at if you're interested:

Malli: https://github.com/metosin/malli

Babashka: https://github.com/babashka/babashka

Clerk: https://github.com/nextjournal/clerk

Being a Clojure addict, I guess I have to leave the obligatory link to Babashka too then: https://github.com/babashka/babashka (Native, fast starting Clojure interpreter for scripting)

which is now on hiatus. babashka: https://babashka.org

I've enjoyed babashka for scripting; which is close enough to clojure to allow using some/many libraries; but (probably) not for embedding.