wasp VS oil

We used Wasp’s built-in auth which makes your auth totally yours and independent of any 3rd party service. Under the hood, it uses Lucia and Arctic to give you email, username and multiple OAuth providers out of the box.

Wasp (https://github.com/wasp-lang/wasp) has actually worked out quite well! It just crossed 10k stars on GitHub and is currently the fastest-growing full-stack framework for React & Node.js. It's being used in both startups and enterprises.

Although Wasp has its own DSL/compiler, the secret to its adoption is probably that it works with the existing stack, like React & Node.js. From the developer's perspective, it feels like a framework; the "compiler" part is just what gives it its superpowers.

Another example of a React framework utilizing Vite to give their users a SPA experience is Wasp - a full-stack framework for React & Node.js that drastically cuts the boilerplate. Despite being a full-stack framework, it focuses on the standardized approach of deploying a client-side React app with a Node.js server to be as portable as possible. With this approach, you can deploy your app pretty much anywhere, as well as self-host it, which is also a thing that we mentioned before in this article.

As before, you will be redirected to the application's login page. Click to link to sign up to create a new account. After authenticating, you will be able to access the todo list functionality as before. ## Conclusion In this guide, we demonstrated how to build and deploy a Wasp application to Koyeb. We started with one of Wasp's templates to create a working, full-stack web application backed by a database. We migrated the application's configuration from a local SQLite database to an external PostgreSQL database to prepare for deployment. Afterwards, we created a multi-stage `Dockerfile` to build and configure our various application layers. Finally, we deployed the backend and web app to Koyeb by targeting different stages in the `Dockerfile`. This tutorial covers the basics of how to manage a Wasp project and deploy to a production environment. As you continue to develop your projects, be sure to check out the [Wasp documentation](https://wasp-lang.dev/docs) to learn how to integrate new features, work with the data model, and leverage the development framework to make your life easier.

First off, Wasp is a full-stack React, NodeJS, and Prisma framework with superpowers. It just crossed 10,000 stars on GitHub, and it has been used to create over 50,000 projects.

When building AI Blog Articles, I decided to get started as fast as possible. So I looked for a free boilerplate and stumbled upon Open SaaS, which used YC-backed Wasp. It is a full-stack React + NodeJS + Prisma that takes 8 hours to get started with.

Exactly. Wasp, https://wasp-lang.dev, is the only framework in the React/Node/Prisma space that's taking this opinionated approach to full-stack development.

For example, you get full-stack auth by just adding this to your config file:

`auth.methods: { email: {}, google: {} }`

Then you on-the-fly Auth UI components and all the necessary hooks

If you already have some sort of foundation in programming, use AI and some great abstractions/frameworks to get things done even faster. For example, instead of creating everything from the ground up (and probably suffering on little things along the way) you can skip repeating yourself a ton of times by using Wasp, which is a great React/Node full-stack framework that takes care of managing the boilerplate side of programming for you. 🤯

Aider is one of my favorite AI agents, especially because it can work with existing codebases. We've seen a lot of good results from folks who used it with Wasp (https://github.com/wasp-lang/wasp) - a full-stack web framework I'm working on.

A "marketingy" demo video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXunbNBpgZg&ab_channel=Wasp

Some related references (on a somewhat messy wiki page) - https://github.com/oilshell/oil/wiki/Compact-AST-Representat...

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will prevent almost all of the "silent footguns".

YSH has strict:all and then a bunch of NEW features.

There's been good feedback recently, which has led to many concrete changes. So your experience can definitely influence the language! https://github.com/oilshell/oil/wiki/Where-To-Send-Feedback

Regarding writing tools/tests/benchmarks in bash+Python, vs. writing tools in your main language:

I think we might eventually concede that something Debian-like is the “standard development environment” (at least for server side stuff, i.e. not iOS apps)

In this case, bash+Python is a non-issue. It works extremely reliably. That’s actually why I use it! Everything else seems to break, or it’s really slow (node.js is a very common alternative).

- Microsoft conceded this back in ~2017, by building Linux into their kernel with WSL, and providing Ubuntu on top

Yes bash + Python is a disaster on Windows (I have scars from it), but Microsoft agrees that the right place to solve that is in Windows :-)

- Every CI system runs Debian/Ubuntu

- Every hosting provider runs Debian/Ubuntu

- Every online dev env like gitpod.io provides Debian/Ubuntu

This is somewhat related to remote dev envs: https://lobste.rs/s/ucirlx/lapdev_self_hosted_remote_dev

One vision for https://www.oilshell.org/ is that the CI environment is the dev environment is the hosting environment.

Everything is just an equal node in a distributed system. BUT it’s more git like, in that you explicitly sync and work “locally”, wherever that is. You don’t have the network chatter and flakiness of “the cloud”.

Oils has a very large set of monotonically increasing properties too - https://www.oilshell.org/release/0.21.0/quality.html

All that is bash+Python that is run on every commit, and it’s extremely good at catching bugs and perf regressions.

I’m skeptical that any project has that level of quality automation written in pure Rust or Zig. More likely it’s a bunch of cloud services with YAML.

Also a bunch of “hard-coded” toolchains that you can’t script with bespoke code. Like some shell commands in your package.json, which is just a worse way of writing a shell script.

Our quality process is all self-hosted, in the repo, and runs on both Github Actions and sourcehut - https://www.oilshell.org/release/0.21.0/pub/metrics.wwz/line...

bash and Python runs perfectly on Github Actions and sourcehut, with zero change. Containers also do.

(Although we need to unify the CI and release, because the release runs on 2 different real hardware machines, while CI is cloud only.)

Also, a main point Oils is that bash now has another highly compatible, spec-driven implementation – OSH. Having 2 independent implementations is something newer languages don’t have.

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in your bashrc to enable it. I've used it for probably ~18 years now.

It also works with https://www.oilshell.org/ since we use GNU readline. Just 'set -o vi' in ~/.config/oils/oshrc

No other shell does that.

But I didn't know it was called MULTIOS until now. (I guess that's read "mult I/O's"? I have a hard time not reading it was multi-OS :) )

It seems a bit niche to be honest, but it's possible to support in Oils.

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Oils also uses Unix domain sockets already for the headless shell protocol

https://github.com/oilshell/oil/wiki/Headless-Mode

We could do something like dgsh, but so far I haven't seen a lot of uptake / demand. Every time it's mentioned, somebody kinda wants it, and then it kinda peters out again ... still possible though.

I think flat files work fine for a lot of use cases, and once you add streaming, you also want monitoring, more control over backpressure/queue sizes, etc.

which works well. You don't have to clean when rebuilding variants. IMO this is 100% essential for writing C++ these days. You need a bunch of test binaries, and all tests should be run with ASAN and UBSAN.

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I wrote a mini-bazel on top of Ninja with these features:

https://www.oilshell.org/blog/2022/10/garbage-collector.html...

So it's ~1700 lines, but for that you get the build macros like asdl_library() generating C++ and Python (the same as proto_library(), a schema language that generates code)

And it also correctly finds dependencies of code generators. So if you change a .py file that is imported by another .py file that is used to generated a C++ header, everything will work. That was one of the trickier bits, with Ninja implicit dependencies.

I also use the Bazel-target syntax like //core/process

This build file example mixes low level Ninja n.rule() and n.build() with high level r.cc_library() and so forth. I find this layering really does make it scale better for bigger projects

https://github.com/oilshell/oil/blob/master/asdl/NINJA_subgr...

Some more description - https://lobste.rs/s/qnb7xt/ninja_is_enough_build_system#c_tu...

This is sort of a category error...

re2c is a lexer generator, and YAML and Python are recursive/nested formats.

You can definitely use re2c to lex them, but it's not the whole solution.

I use it for everything possible in https://www.oilshell.org, and it's amazing. It really reduces the amount of fiddly C code you need to parse languages, and it drops in anywhere.

SEEKING VOLUNTEERS - https://www.oilshell.org/ - https://github.com/oilshell/oil/

I'm looking for people to help fill out the "standard library" for Oils/YSH. We're implementing a shell for Python and JavaScript programmers who avoid shell!

On the surface, this is writing some very simple functions in typed Python. But I've realized that the hardest parts are specifying, TESTING, and documenting what the functions do.

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The most recent release announcement also asks for help - https://www.oilshell.org/blog/2024/01/release-0.19.0.html (long)

If you find all those details interesting (if maybe overwhelming), you might have a mind for language design, and could be a good person to help.

Surveying what Python and JavaScript do is very helpful, e.g. for the recent Str.replace() function, which is nontrivial (takes a regex or string, replacement template or string)

But there are also very simple methods to get started, like Dict.values() and List.indexOf(). Other people have already contributed code. Examples:

https://github.com/oilshell/oil/commit/58d847008427dba2e60fe...

https://github.com/oilshell/oil/commit/8f38ee36d01162593e935...

This can also be useful to tell if you'll have fun working on the project - https://github.com/oilshell/oil/wiki/Where-Contributors-Have...

More on #help-wanted on Zulip (requires login) - https://oilshell.zulipchat.com/#narrow/stream/417617-help-wa...

Please send a message on Github or Zulip! Or e-mail me andy at oilshell dot org.

This is true, but then the corrolary is that new PRs need to come with this higher and rigorous level of test coverage.

And then that becomes a bit of a barrier to contribution -- that's a harness

I often write entirely new test harnesses for features, e.g. for https://www.oilshell.org, many of them linked here . All of these run in the CI - https://www.oilshell.org/release/latest/quality.html

The good thing is that it definitely helps me accept PRs faster. Current contributors are good at this kind of exhaustive testing, but many PRs aren't