vim-sensible VS ale

That’s a good question. The built in tutorial is actually really good, you can launch it with “vimtutor” on the command line. It doesn’t give you everything, but its instructions and text to try things out on in the editor itself, which I find a good way to learn. It isn’t particularly programming focused either.

For getting used to the motions especially https://vim-adventures.com can be a fun way, in its game format.

For getting started I’d say don’t worry about plugins much, but get https://github.com/tpope/vim-sensible at least so the defaults meant for vi don’t get in the way. The only other thing you might want is a format syntax if your preferred note syntax isn’t highlighted well by default or something. Polyglot can be good to stave that off but really I’d say learn on a really lean config, and get used to using :help or similar. It’s the best way to learn the parts that work everywhere.

it's modified from tpope's https://github.com/tpope/vim-sensible, and https://github.com/mhinz/vim-galore#tips-1.

I didn't realise vim Vs vi purist was a thing.

I'm aware that for a while vim has had some backwards compatibility setting that people recommended turning off to get more modern defaults.

And that Tim Pope had a plugin that took you one step beyond that:

https://github.com/tpope/vim-sensible

> Think of sensible.vim as one step above 'nocompatible' mode: a universal set of defaults that (hopefully) everyone can agree on.

And that neovim took the opportunity to make an updated set of defaults:

https://neovim.io/doc/user/vim_diff.html#nvim-defaults

tpope/vim-sensible, because the Vim defaults aren't for everyone.

A while back I did a public Neovim options survey (here are the results). One of the goals was to gather a commonly used option values to create a "crowd-sourced" moderate version of tpope/vim-sensible. Well, this is it.

opps.. forgot to mention timpopes : https://github.com/tpope/vim-sensible settings :D

You don’t want any modern conveniences? Not even stuff from here[0]?

[0]: https://github.com/tpope/vim-sensible/blob/master/plugin/sen...

If you use vim-sensible, which you should, you can reset the highlight with ctrl+l.

Check out sensible.vim for lots of settings you might want to turn on.

What I plan to do with results: - The summary of results will be released in some way, shape, or form after survey is closed (at least two weeks from now when there is a 24 hours without new entries). It will be announced in this sub. - Possibly use the most commonly set non-default settings to power a Neovim variant, crowd-sourced version of tpope/vim-sensible.

I saw no mention of RBS+Steep, the latter providing a LSP. I use it a lot and very much like it, although it's still young and needs love, but it's making good, steady progress! I've been very pleasantly surprised by some of the crazy things Steep can catch, completely statically!

You appear to be working on projects with Sorbet (which I tried to like but found it fell short in practice, notably outside of the app use case i.e it's mostly useless for gems) so it may be a tall order to try on those. Maybe you can give RBS+Steep a shot on some small project?

RBS: https://github.com/ruby/rbs

RBS collection (for those gems that don't ship RBS signatures in `sig`, integrates with bundler): https://github.com/ruby/gem_rbs_collection

Steep: https://github.com/soutaro/steep

VS Code: https://github.com/soutaro/steep-vscode

Sublime Text: https://github.com/sublimelsp/LSP

Vim (I'm working on it): https://github.com/dense-analysis/ale/pull/4671

Support for code quality tools are provided by the ALE plugin. These are supported for PHP:

I mostly agree, though I find Allegro and LispWorks severely lacking in areas too. The companies themselves don't seem to care much about their IDEs. Certainly not in the way JetBrains cares about IntelliJ.

Tucked away in the McCLIM project is Clouseau, which you can quickload and use as a normal user: https://codeberg.org/McCLIM/McCLIM/src/branch/master/Apps/Cl... One small cool thing it does is if you inspect a complex number it will also draw a little x-y vector. (Though trying it out again just now it's overlapping with the text... maybe I should file a bug, but I've only now just learned they moved off github, and I'm not going to make a codeberg account. Friction wins this round.) It does take a while to first compile and load all the dependencies, especially 3bz, another weakness of at least our free Lisps; AFAIK there's still no equivalent of make -j for compiling systems.

I'm a happy vim user (though there is some jank with slimv, admittedly, but it's mostly prevalent around multiple thread situations) and setup the command ,ci to call my own clouseau-inspect function; it just inspects a symbol with clouseau instead of slimv's inspector. Also have a janky watch/unwatch pair of functions that just refreshes the inspector every second. (https://github.com/Jach/dots/blob/master/.sbclrc#L113 if curious, some other junk in .swank.lisp and .vimrc too, and there's https://github.com/dense-analysis/ale/issues/4061 to call sblint on your project...)

But better forms of these sorts of graphical tools are what I hope to one day see more of and are how the free Lisps can close the gap in this area with the commercial Lisps. I believe there's not much Allegro can do that poking around SBCL can't do, but for many things it's just nicer to have a GUI. Want to explore all the symbols and values in a package? Easy enough to script that, but not as nice as just having a table of symbols, and even nicer if you can set watches on some of them. None of the tools need to be tightly integrated with a single IDE either, because all the stuff necessary to debug Lisp is in the running Lisp itself. It's just that the GUI situation continues to suck.

LSP has gotten more popular with other languages and editors, sometimes I wonder if the acronym was made as an inside joke because it's basically how Lisp + Slime/Swank have worked...

Hello Everyone! w0rp here. I thought I'd ask on Reddit if there's anyone out there would like to help maintain ALE. It would be nice to have another willing volunteer who is up for providing relevant feedback on PRs, answering common questions, merging good PRs, and managing GitHub issues. I'll mention to anyone interested that I have a general policy of never closing issues, no matter how old, unless they are actually either solved or invalid. I bear no compulsions to ensure an that a number of issues, which is arbitrary, remains low. I have a relatively simple vetting process, which mostly just requires building trust over time.

A similarly useful list is vim's famous ALE plug-in's list of supported linters:

* https://github.com/dense-analysis/ale/blob/master/supported-...

While less comprehensive¹, this is my go-to list when I start working with a new language. Just brew/yum/apt installing the tool makes it work in the editor²

¹this list mostly has foss,static analyzers, however anyone can contribute (mine was the gawk linting)

²alright,there are some. Tools that might need some setup

Ctrl-X Ctrl-L is line based completion, see :help CTRL-X_CTRL-L for details.

:help ins-completion gets the useful docs, Vim's own docs are very good and worth spending some time learning how to use, so you can learn Vim itself better.

Another favorite of mine is 'gf' to open the filename under the cursor, very useful combined with ^X ^F.

Omni completion is also useful: https://vim.fandom.com/wiki/Omni_completion although you're better off with plugin that uses LSP now, for example https://github.com/dense-analysis/ale

FWIW, I still use regular vim with ale [0] and it does everything I want. It formats files with Black and isort, shows ruff and pyright errors, supports jumping to definitions, and has variable information available on hover. I have collected my config over the past several years, but I pretty rarely encounter errors with it.

[0]: https://github.com/dense-analysis/ale [1] https://github.com/CGamesPlay/dotfiles/blob/master/files/.co...

At some of those syntax things neovim behaves better, and like. But there is https://github.com/dense-analysis/ale.

I replace ALE with :!, like :! %. If the linter output is compatible with default errorformat , then I do :! % > /tmp/linter.txt then :cgetfile (or in one-go: :cgetexpr systemlist(''))

I'm not doing much of anything in Python, but according to :help ale-python-pylint: