vim-gutentags VS ale

https://github.com/ludovicchabant/vim-gutentags/issues/139 has some background.

Hi everyone. I'm looking to have a better setup for Rust in neovim. I do have rust-analyzer installed for useful lsp things but I was hoping to get tags working for it as well. I was using vim-gutentags (https://github.com/ludovicchabant/vim-gutentags) for navigating useful functions and stuff but couldn't quite get it to work for rust. Is there a simple way to do it or do I need rusty-tags and some aucommand to get it to work?

use tags, I like https://github.com/ludovicchabant/vim-gutentags for this. I might use my local .vimrc to tweak the config (exclude compiled source files and other uninteresting things)

guttentag: https://github.com/ludovicchabant/vim-gutentags

Without more information, it's hard to point you in the right direction. The tags file could be out-of-date, in which case you can try to re-generate it (vim-gutentags for tags auto-generation). You could have 2 function declarations with the same name, in which case you can try :tag to cycle through tags (supports partials, like :tag F which will suggest FOO, FAR, FAB ...etc) or :tag to see a list of possible options (supports partials, like :tag F which will list FOO, FAR, FAB, ...etc) for various matching tags you can jump to (fzf.vim provides a tags fuzzy finder via :Tags). Maybe you're experiencing :h tag-priority?

ludovicchabant/vim-gutentags - Tags

You can then use :cnext and :cprev (or focusing the window and selecting an entry) to navigate between them.

As others have stated, you can also use ctags (plugins like https://github.com/ludovicchabant/vim-gutentags are useful for refreshing tags in a project), but for some languages you may need to add a tag definition (e.g. for something like rust or zig). For older languages like C you should be fine.

Not sure if it will help in this case, but I also depend on ctags for when the lsp fails (e.g. code it doesn't compile for some reason). Here you let a program create a tags file, e.g. I use https://github.com/universal-ctags/ctags (it seems it can parse json files, though I'm not sure what kind of tags are generated from this and if they will be useful to you) with https://github.com/ludovicchabant/vim-gutentags to update the tags file. The tags file just contains symbol names with locations where they are defined, and vim has builtin functionality to use these tags files :h tag and they (can) work filetype independent. For example if I mention a C type in a markdown document I can just use ctrl-[ to jump to its definition in the C source file. Possibly you can generate tags files yourself from the json files to help with this, the tags file format is not very complicated. Tags also are not very intelligent and depend on unique names for them to work well, there is the :h g_CTRL-] that can help, but for symbols that are very common (e.g. init or something that potentially has like 20+ definitions) it doesn't really work.

I saw no mention of RBS+Steep, the latter providing a LSP. I use it a lot and very much like it, although it's still young and needs love, but it's making good, steady progress! I've been very pleasantly surprised by some of the crazy things Steep can catch, completely statically!

You appear to be working on projects with Sorbet (which I tried to like but found it fell short in practice, notably outside of the app use case i.e it's mostly useless for gems) so it may be a tall order to try on those. Maybe you can give RBS+Steep a shot on some small project?

RBS: https://github.com/ruby/rbs

RBS collection (for those gems that don't ship RBS signatures in `sig`, integrates with bundler): https://github.com/ruby/gem_rbs_collection

Steep: https://github.com/soutaro/steep

VS Code: https://github.com/soutaro/steep-vscode

Sublime Text: https://github.com/sublimelsp/LSP

Vim (I'm working on it): https://github.com/dense-analysis/ale/pull/4671

Support for code quality tools are provided by the ALE plugin. These are supported for PHP:

I mostly agree, though I find Allegro and LispWorks severely lacking in areas too. The companies themselves don't seem to care much about their IDEs. Certainly not in the way JetBrains cares about IntelliJ.

Tucked away in the McCLIM project is Clouseau, which you can quickload and use as a normal user: https://codeberg.org/McCLIM/McCLIM/src/branch/master/Apps/Cl... One small cool thing it does is if you inspect a complex number it will also draw a little x-y vector. (Though trying it out again just now it's overlapping with the text... maybe I should file a bug, but I've only now just learned they moved off github, and I'm not going to make a codeberg account. Friction wins this round.) It does take a while to first compile and load all the dependencies, especially 3bz, another weakness of at least our free Lisps; AFAIK there's still no equivalent of make -j for compiling systems.

I'm a happy vim user (though there is some jank with slimv, admittedly, but it's mostly prevalent around multiple thread situations) and setup the command ,ci to call my own clouseau-inspect function; it just inspects a symbol with clouseau instead of slimv's inspector. Also have a janky watch/unwatch pair of functions that just refreshes the inspector every second. (https://github.com/Jach/dots/blob/master/.sbclrc#L113 if curious, some other junk in .swank.lisp and .vimrc too, and there's https://github.com/dense-analysis/ale/issues/4061 to call sblint on your project...)

But better forms of these sorts of graphical tools are what I hope to one day see more of and are how the free Lisps can close the gap in this area with the commercial Lisps. I believe there's not much Allegro can do that poking around SBCL can't do, but for many things it's just nicer to have a GUI. Want to explore all the symbols and values in a package? Easy enough to script that, but not as nice as just having a table of symbols, and even nicer if you can set watches on some of them. None of the tools need to be tightly integrated with a single IDE either, because all the stuff necessary to debug Lisp is in the running Lisp itself. It's just that the GUI situation continues to suck.

LSP has gotten more popular with other languages and editors, sometimes I wonder if the acronym was made as an inside joke because it's basically how Lisp + Slime/Swank have worked...

Hello Everyone! w0rp here. I thought I'd ask on Reddit if there's anyone out there would like to help maintain ALE. It would be nice to have another willing volunteer who is up for providing relevant feedback on PRs, answering common questions, merging good PRs, and managing GitHub issues. I'll mention to anyone interested that I have a general policy of never closing issues, no matter how old, unless they are actually either solved or invalid. I bear no compulsions to ensure an that a number of issues, which is arbitrary, remains low. I have a relatively simple vetting process, which mostly just requires building trust over time.

A similarly useful list is vim's famous ALE plug-in's list of supported linters:

* https://github.com/dense-analysis/ale/blob/master/supported-...

While less comprehensive¹, this is my go-to list when I start working with a new language. Just brew/yum/apt installing the tool makes it work in the editor²

¹this list mostly has foss,static analyzers, however anyone can contribute (mine was the gawk linting)

²alright,there are some. Tools that might need some setup

Ctrl-X Ctrl-L is line based completion, see :help CTRL-X_CTRL-L for details.

:help ins-completion gets the useful docs, Vim's own docs are very good and worth spending some time learning how to use, so you can learn Vim itself better.

Another favorite of mine is 'gf' to open the filename under the cursor, very useful combined with ^X ^F.

Omni completion is also useful: https://vim.fandom.com/wiki/Omni_completion although you're better off with plugin that uses LSP now, for example https://github.com/dense-analysis/ale

FWIW, I still use regular vim with ale [0] and it does everything I want. It formats files with Black and isort, shows ruff and pyright errors, supports jumping to definitions, and has variable information available on hover. I have collected my config over the past several years, but I pretty rarely encounter errors with it.

[0]: https://github.com/dense-analysis/ale [1] https://github.com/CGamesPlay/dotfiles/blob/master/files/.co...

At some of those syntax things neovim behaves better, and like. But there is https://github.com/dense-analysis/ale.

I replace ALE with :!, like :! %. If the linter output is compatible with default errorformat , then I do :! % > /tmp/linter.txt then :cgetfile (or in one-go: :cgetexpr systemlist(''))

I'm not doing much of anything in Python, but according to :help ale-python-pylint: