valhalla-docs VS FizzBuzz Enterprise Edition

What isn't clear for me from https://github.com/openjdk/valhalla-docs/blob/main/site/design-notes/state-of-valhalla/02-object-model.md is whether or not value types will indeed be headerless.

Regarding type erasure, see https://github.com/openjdk/valhalla-docs/blob/main/site/design-notes/in-defense-of-erasure.md for a justification. Note in particular that not doing erasure would have forced languages like Scala to follow Java's semantics. In cases where erasure is actually a problem, you can work around it with classes like https://fasterxml.github.io/jackson-core/javadoc/2.2.0/com/fasterxml/jackson/core/type/TypeReference.html.

Here's a (relatively recent) post on type erasure from the lead of the value types project at Oracle https://github.com/openjdk/valhalla-docs/blob/main/site/design-notes/in-defense-of-erasure.md

If you want to read something a little more formal and fleshed out, try scanning through this document, and then come back again and tell me that Brian doesn't understand your suggestion.

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I haven't been following it incredibly closely, but I have checked in from time to time. It's a hard problem, but there's a lot of real progress (https://github.com/openjdk/valhalla-docs/blob/main/site/desi...).

I'd wager that it will ship by the next LTS, in 2024.

Quotes from here

That "Hello World Enterprise Edition" looks dangerously under-engineered - I could understand it! Far better to follow the best practices demonstrated in the Fizz Buzz Enterprise Edition...

https://github.com/EnterpriseQualityCoding/FizzBuzzEnterpris...

Clean code is a balancing act - you’ll want to make sure you don’t turn your codebase into something like this.

Bu hocam https://github.com/EnterpriseQualityCoding/FizzBuzzEnterpriseEdition

amidoingitright

It seems to me that all large software projects eventually grow into "Enterprise" code. What I mean by this is something like FizzBuzz Enterprise Edition; large codebases with many layers where Design Patterns and SOLID principles are applied vigorously.

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I'll answer your question with a question: Have you seen https://github.com/EnterpriseQualityCoding/FizzBuzzEnterpris... ? :)

I'm guess that to those of us who remember when Java came out, "FizzBuzz: EE" is what we think of when we think of Java. :P

In Java I have to type a bazillion characters to get anything done! And make all these useless directories and files and InterfaceClassFactoryProtocolStreamingSerializer BS. And worry about how that executes.

C++? No bloat*, just speed

*Yes, there's some _optional_ bloat. But compared to Java? no contest.