unify-flowret VS mgmt

Nice. It is great to see native lightweight opensource (I hope it is considering that someone said that there is no license file yet) solutions hit this space. For what it's worth, I have built something similar to this but for Java programming language. You can find it here -> https://github.com/americanexpress/unify-flowret. My reason for building something like this was that the product market is just too unwieldy to work with and has multiple layers of complexity which most of the time can be done away with. Just my opinion.

On a side note, you will at some point in time have to deal with multi version workflows. I know that this is one feature that limits wide adoption of an orchestrator.

"And that’s when a real problem emerged; nobody knew who I was" and "I felt invisible, like I was all alone in this world. I could have had the best thing in the world, and no one would care": Could not agree with you more on this - over the past many years it has been more and more important to build a digital brand for yourself and have many followers - to be networked with people and know people who can provide you with reach - something which is difficult for introverts and challenging to do now since I have crossed 50. I personally have felt this helplessness in trying to promote a couple of opensource Java libraries I released on behalf of my employer (shameless plug here -> https://github.com/americanexpress/unify-jdocs and https://github.com/americanexpress/unify-flowret). I thought I had done something of value which would be readily adopted by people after they saw it - guess what - first I have not been able to get through to a wide audience and second - I underestimated what it takes to get people out of their comfort zone and their traditional thinking. It is so difficult for people to accept that there may be better ways of doing things once they get used to a certain way. Anyway, I don't think you failed - you learnt and it is never too late to learn and do something new. Something will click eventually and I wish you all the very best.

> I think etcd is basically a k8s only project now

I hate etcd with the best of them, but etcd is used in a lot more places than just kubernetes:

https://github.com/apache/apisix/blob/master/docs/en/latest/...

https://github.com/traefik/traefik#:~:text=Etcd,

https://github.com/zalando/patroni#patroni-a-template-for-po...

https://github.com/purpleidea/mgmt/tree/0.0.26/etcd (this one shows up on HN quite a bit)

https://github.com/sorintlab/stolon#features

It's actually one of the major reasons I wouldn't touch those projects

This is a new provisioning tool built with https://github.com/purpleidea/mgmt/ that I hope both provides great value and also demonstrates the start of a new way to build certain kinds of software.

Thanks for reading!

I've looked briefly into this project before. Some ideas are similar to what I'm doing in https://github.com/purpleidea/mgmt/ but the really weird thing is that I have no idea who's behind this language. A person? A company? A small group? Are they anonymous for some reason or am I oblivious?

I don't generally believe in orchestrators (they miss the point, things are not single computers and neither is the world) and so I have that feedback here but also for:

> Airflow/Cadence/Temporal/Databuilderframework?

Which don't really think about modelling non-centralized things.

This of course doesn't mean they're not useful, it's just that they don't have what I believe is a good long-term value proposition.

I'm incredibly biased because I'm working on programmatic, real-time modelling of distributed systems with https://github.com/purpleidea/mgmt/

The DAG concurrency stuff feels familiar to what I've been doing with our language, mcl. https://github.com/purpleidea/mgmt/

Our goal is NOT a general-purpose turing-complete language like this one is, but we do some amazing lock-free, DAG concurrency things to achieve the processing wins.

I don't think it's good news, but why is anyone surprised? Nobody wants to pay for open source.

Companies want it for free, and individuals don't have enough luxury time to be able to do it themselves.

Prove me wrong and help patch or fund https://github.com/purpleidea/mgmt/ and you'll have an even better replacement for terraform!

Individual here, not a company. We'd love contributors to https://github.com/purpleidea/mgmt/

Eventually decided puppet wasn't a good enough tool to be able to autonomously deploy and continuously manage such clusters. So I started working on this https://github.com/purpleidea/mgmt/ project. Not quite MVP yet, but trying to get there soon. Got distracted along the way with having to work real jobs (Red Hat, Amazon) to pay bills.