tlaplus VS apalache

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https://github.com/tlaplus/tlaplus/blob/master/tlatools/org....

In any case, our whole team thinks TLA is great, and we're happy people like you and Ron find it so useful and insightful. We also think it is a very insightful.

There are no tests! There are various ways to test concurrent data structures. You could use a stress test, where you spawn a lot of threads and let them mutate the map in a random way and then check the consistency of the map and some invariants. You could learn TLA+ and write a formal model of the map and then verify it.

Dafny and Whiley are two examples with explicit verification support. Idris and other dependently typed languages should all be rich enough to express the required predicate but might not necessarily be able to accept a reasonable implementation as proof. Isabelle, Lean, Coq, and other theorem provers definitely can express the capability but aren't going to churn out much in the way of executable programs; they're more useful to guide an implementation in a more practical functional language but then the proof is separated from the implementation, and you could also use tools like TLA+.

https://dafny.org/

https://whiley.org/

https://www.idris-lang.org/

https://isabelle.in.tum.de/

https://leanprover.github.io/

https://coq.inria.fr/

http://lamport.azurewebsites.net/tla/tla.html

I wish something like Lamport's TLA+ (https://lamport.azurewebsites.net/tla/tla.html) was supported in modern language compilers - perhaps with annotations/macros and a mini formal DSL.

Checking the invariant with assert is also useful in my limited experience with concurrency.

https://lamport.azurewebsites.net/tla/tla.html

One advantage of formal methods is in determining "what was expected" (including all the goofy edge cases) without having to burrow into the details of code.

Take a look at Alloy (http://alloytools.org/) and TLA+ (https://lamport.azurewebsites.net/tla/tla.html) for example. (Or even the ancient Z ("Zed") notation (https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~15819/zedbook.pdf)).

The pcal generator does *not* generate a definition for the set of labels. However, some users have suggested to add such a feature: https://github.com/tlaplus/tlaplus/issues/613

Anyone know of some good free software TLA+ model checkers? The "Other Tooling" mentions one alternative checker, https://apalache.informal.systems/, but that's all I could find. Thanks.

> How are those types any different than outright stating a behavioral invariant?

Because the behavior of programs can't be verified without executing the program, but types can be checked purely based on syntax. There is way less source code than runtime states of any non-trivial program.

I've asked this same question many times, the TLA+ way is much more expressive and _simpler_. But model checking is a way harder problem than type checking, in general. SMT solvers make this line blurry - in fact, have you heard of the SMT-based model checker for TLA+, [Apalache](https://apalache.informal.systems/)?. I haven't tried it out, but that should be way faster than TLC which just brute forces the state-space exploration.

I'm totally with you about TLA+ style spec properties, but it's a big theoretical hurdle to cross before they could be as efficient as types.