temporal VS Task

I don't know if I agree with the argument regarding durability vs elastic execution. If I can get both (with a nice API/DX) via something like Temporal (https://github.com/temporalio/temporal), what's the drawback here?

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However, as we mentioned, each shard needs management. Part of the management includes a cache of Workflow histories for that shard. We can see the History pods’ memory usage is rising quickly. If the pods run out of memory, Kubernetes will terminate and restart them (OOMKilled). This causes Temporal to rebalance the shards onto the remaining History pod(s), only to then rebalance again once the new History pod comes up. Each time you make a scaling change, be sure to check that all Temporal pods are still within their CPU and memory requests—pods frequently being restarted is very bad for performance! To fix this, we can bump the memory limits for the History containers. Currently, it is hard to estimate the amount of memory a History pod is going to use because the limits are not set per host, or even in MB, but rather as a number of cache entries to store. There is work to improve this: github.com/temporalio/temporal/issues/2941. For now, we’ll set the History memory limit to 8GB and keep an eye on them—we can always raise it later if we find the pod needs more.

Correct, the workflow's guarantee to always complete executing independent of hardware failures is dependent on the database not losing data. You host your workflow code with Temporal's Worker library, which talks to an instance of the Temporal Server [1], which is an open-source set of services (hosted by you or by Temporal Cloud), backed by Cassandra, MySQL, or Postgres. [2] So for instance increasing Cassandra's replication factor increases your resilience to disk failure.

[1] https://github.com/temporalio/temporal

[2] https://docs.temporal.io/clusters#persistence

Re:graph frameworks - thanks for the pointers, hadn't heard about them! I'd heard of temporal which I believe provides a similar memoization capability with the purpose of not losing work in workflows that failed partway through?

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Personally I am leveraging the knowledge and momentum of Replay to dive into the Python SDK, build out a couple of applications to deepen my knowledge around Workflows, Activities, and metrics, and continue inhaling knowledge via the monthly meetup, the application development guide, and documentation. By next year I’ll experience the conference, not as one new to Temporal, but as an expert—maybe even as one of the people helping with the architecture review or running a Birds of a Feather; if anything, I know I look forward to seeing YOU at next year’s event!

So many tools in this space! This one looks a little bit like go-task, but it seems maybe better for production workflows because if timeout support, while go-task seems more aimed to command line work/makefile replacement.

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https://github.com/go-task/task

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A similar tool is `task` https://taskfile.dev/ . It is quite capable and also a single executable. I've grown to quite like it.

check out tasks - a bit of a learning curve but arguably more powerful imo

That's when I came across taskfile.dev. Task is an automation tool designed to be more accessible than other options, such as GNU Make.

Full disclosure, I did not review Conda or Hatch fully. Not that there is anything explicitly wrong with either of them. Conda is too specific to the scientific community for my general taste. Hatch seems to go well with Conda and also uses the PyProject manifest as well. It's nice that it gives you several built in tools, similar to commit hooks, but I tend to like to roll my own via a Taskfile and run them with Poetry.

Taskfile is a tool for streamlining repetitive development tasks. It helps automate activities like building, testing, and deploying applications. Unlike Makefile, Taskfile uses YAML for configuration, making it more readable and user-friendly.

9. We test everything with another promotion which runs make targets which build docker containers to run python scripts (pytest)

This is also built by a complicated web of wildcarded makefile targets, which need to be interoperable and support a few if/else cases for specific components.

My plan is to migrate all of this to something simpler and more straightforward, or at least more maintainable, which is honestly probably going to turn into taskfile[0] instead of makefiles, and then simple python scripts for the glue that ties everything together or does more complex logic.

My hope is that it can be more straightforward and easier to maintain, with more component-ized logic, but realistically every step in that labyrinthine build process (and that's just the open-source version!) came from a decision made by a very talented team of engineers who know far more about the process and the product than I do. At this point I'm wondering if it would make 'more sense' to replace it with a giant python script of some kind and get access to all the logic we need all at once (it would not).

[0] https://taskfile.dev/

task - a task runner and a replacement for make