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Ask HN: Help me pick a front-end framework
Can you elaborate a bit more on this part, please?
> I'm thinking of building a text-annotation based app _alone in my spare time_. The core usage loop is about viewing and interacting with "visual markup" applied to a body of text. So lots of tooltips/hoverbars I guess.
Or show us a mockup... doesn't have to be anything fancy, just like a pen and paper sketch or a simple Figma.
I'm asking because it kinda sounds like you're wanting to do something like an online IDE or Google Docs, where you're manipulating a body of text in the style of a rich text editor. If that's the case, it's possible the HTML DOM model isn't quite the right fit for you... you may find it better to abstract over a Canvas or WebGL object instead of trying to shoehorn that experience into the raw DOM. That way you have full control over rendering, outside of the normal layout/styling/rendering loop. It might also make a good case for a single-page app (at least the majority of the editor itself would be, and the other stuff -- marketing, blog, etc. -- can be routed to individual pages).
In that case, it wouldn't be so much a question of "framework" in the sense of React, Vue, etc., which traditionally work on the DOM. It might be more a question of "engine", like whether to use something like PixiJS to manipulate the graphics layer vs rolling your own. State management can be done with something like Redux (even without React), or if you choose to use a frontend framework for the rest of it, you can maybe use their state solution with your rendering engine.
In addition to choosing a low-level graphics lib, you can also look at some existing rich text markup solutions. A CMS I used had a good blog post on this: https://www.datocms.com/docs/structured-text/dast#datocms-ab... along with their open-source editor: https://github.com/datocms/structured-text
A more widespread one is the toast UI editor: https://ui.toast.com/tui-editor
I know you're not just working in Markdown, but these give you an idea of what it's like to work with complex text trees in JS.
Once you have the actual text editor part figured out, choosing the wrapper around it (again, just for marketing pages, etc.) is relatively trivial compared to the difficulty of your editor app. I really like Next.js myself (if you choose React), but I don't think you could really go wrong with any of the major choices today... React/Vue/Svelte/etc. And it looks to me like the complexity of your site wouldn't really be around that anyway, but the editor portion.
Lastly: I don't think ANY JS tool or package is going to be maintained in 10 years. Frankly, 2 years is a long time in the JS ecosystem :( I'm not defending this phenomenon, I hate it too, but that's the reality of it. If long-term maintenance is a goal of yours, you might want to consider writing abstraction layers over third-party tools you use, so you can easily swap them out when future things come out (because they will). The web itself is changing too fast for libraries to keep up; instead, people just write new ones every few years. An example of this is the pathway from the Canvas to WebGL to workers to WASM (and how to juggle heavy computational vs rendering loops around)... a lot of the old Canvas-based renderers, which were super powerful in their time, are now too slow vs the modern alternatives. Nobody is going to port the old stuff over, they just make new libs. It's likely that trend will continue in the JS world (that whatever you write today will be obsoleted by a new web API in a few years).
Lastly, as an aside, TypeScript is a superset of JS... if you find a JS project/lib/plugin that you want to use, there will often be types for it made by the community (https://github.com/DefinitelyTyped/DefinitelyTyped) , or you can write your own types for it. I don't really have an opinion about TypeScript vs writing in some other language and compiling to JS, but it would probably be easier to find help (especially frontend) in the future if you stick with TypeScript instead of convoluting your stack with multiple languages. Sounds like most of your app will be clientside anyway with limited backend needs.
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Tech aside... have you considered partnering with a frontend dev for this? I know you said "alone", but just having someone set up the basic skeleton of such an app with you for the first month or two could be super helpful. Or a UX person to help you with some of the interactions before you start serious coding. They don't have to be with you the whole journey, but maybe they can help jumpstart your project so you can then work on adding features & polish in your spare time, instead of figuring out basic architecture? Unless, of course, that's the part you actually enjoy. In that case, don't let anyone rob of you that :)
Have fun! Sounds like a cool project.
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Securing SvelteKit Apps with Keycloak
Svelte and specifically, SvelteKit is an open source web framework that makes developing web applications easier.
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My opinion about opinionated Prettier: ๐
the technical decision how Svelte should treat self-closing html elements was hindered by Prettier:
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Composable architecture example: Go headless (best practices)
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How to optimise React Apps?
React has introduced measures like batching state updates, background concurrent rendering and memoization to tackle this. My opinion is that the best way to solve the problem is by improving their reactivity model. The app needs to be able to track the code that should be re-run on updating a given state variable and specifically update the UI corresponding to this update. Tools like solid.js and svelte work in this manner. It also eliminates the need for a virtual DOM and diffing.
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Episode 24/13: Native Signals, Details on Angular/Wiz, Alan Agius on the Angular CLI
Similarly to Promises/A+, this effort focuses on aligning the JavaScript ecosystem. If this alignment is successful, then a standard could emerge, based on that experience. Several framework authors are collaborating here on a common model which could back their reactivity core. The current draft is based on design input from the authors/maintainers of Angular, Bubble, Ember, FAST, MobX, Preact, Qwik, RxJS, Solid, Starbeam, Svelte, Vue, Wiz, and moreโฆ
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Svelte for Beginners: Easy Guide
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What are some alternatives?
vitesse-modular-naiveui - If you are really into the "Vitesse" starter template created by Anthony Fu (Vue core team member) but want to use the clean architectural pattern instead of monolithic architecture, then you can clone this repo and use your own project. Have fun ๐!
Alpine.js - A rugged, minimal framework for composing JavaScript behavior in your markup.
Mithril.js - A JavaScript Framework for Building Brilliant Applications
lit - Lit is a simple library for building fast, lightweight web components.
DefinitelyTyped - The repository for high quality TypeScript type definitions.
solid - A declarative, efficient, and flexible JavaScript library for building user interfaces. [Moved to: https://github.com/solidui/solid]
stencil - A toolchain for building scalable, enterprise-ready component systems on top of TypeScript and Web Component standards. Stencil components can be distributed natively to React, Angular, Vue, and traditional web developers from a single, framework-agnostic codebase.
qwik - Instant-loading web apps, without effort
lexical - Lexical is an extensible text editor framework that provides excellent reliability, accessibility and performance.
awesome-blazor - Resources for Blazor, a .NET web framework using C#/Razor and HTML that runs in the browser with WebAssembly.
create-t3-app - The best way to start a full-stack, typesafe Next.js app
Next.js - The React Framework