solid-router VS htm

Solid Router - https://github.com/solidjs/solid-router

Fastify DX follows the same routing principles as Next.js and Remix. The first page is /pages/index.{js|ts} and other pages can be linked to by using solid-app-router. Dashboard would link to /pages/dashboard.{js|ts} and SolidJS Article would link to /pages/articles/[id].{js|ts}. SSR, Streaming etc. can be fine-tuned by exporting variables in the page. Check out the examples for streaming, SSR, etc. in the fastify dx starter kit

Hello, I've recently created a single page web app with multiple routes. I'm using vercel for hosting and solid app router (https://github.com/solidjs/solid-app-router) for the router bit. When I go to my page on vercel and click on a link, for example, /help then reload the page it leads to 404 not found. If I go straight to that link it has the same error. In my dev environment it functions as I'd expect. After reloading it loads the help page. Is there a way to configure vercel to behave correctly?

Agree wrt. Solid being easier to reason about.

Is the router you are using solid-app-router [1] ? Have been working with it for last few months and it has been generally stable (my usecases are not particularly complex though).

The docs for the solidjs core has also massively improved recently.

[1] https://github.com/solidjs/solid-app-router

With regards to third-party libraries, Solid does not have a lot yet, but it does have first-party libraries. Its first-party libraries are the equivalent of other popular libraries in other JavaScript libraries, such as Solid App Router for routing, Solid Testing Library for writing component tests, and Solid Transition Group for animations.

Since official SolidJS starter template are vite-based we can easily use vite-plugin-pages to create automatic routing a.k.a file based routing with official solid-app-router package.

Hmm.. Remix is based around their router. And a nested router is what we need to for Solid (see Solid App Router https://github.com/solidjs/solid-app-router). I think the challenge is that we don't render like React. Not at all. I've found most cases where that assumption exists to be incompatible.

That being said the work has already started on a starter with Nested Routing/Automatic File Based Routing + Code Splitting/Parallelized Data Fetching/Streaming SSR/Multiple deployment adapters. We're given it the same focus on performance that we've given the rest of Solid.

Here is the recent Vercel Edge Function demo we made with it: https://twitter.com/RyanCarniato/status/1453283158149980161

Solid has an impressive collection of first-party tools developed by its creator - Ryan Carniato - and other contributors. There you’ll find Solid equivalents of some popular libraries from other ecosystems, like Solid Transition Group, Solid Refresh (for Hot Module Reloading - HMR), Solid App Router, and more!

The preact team also dislikes transpiling jsx so they've developed an alternative using tagged template literals: https://github.com/developit/htm

So getting this to work without bundler magic is very hard. It's not surprising why NextJS is investing in a bundler. Though one thing that really sticks out is how much complexity we add for just miniscule dev ergonomics. Not using JSX and using something like htm would make all this easier (removing the bundler entirely), it's a lot of overhead to avoid a couple of quotes. React should really have a tagged-template mode. Also all of this is indirection is actually bad for dev ergonomics too! One of the reasons I did this is because I'm absolutely sick of magic caches and sorting through code that's been crushed by a bundler into something I don't recognize and can't easily debug. While we can't get rid of this completely (ts/jsx) this preserves the module import graph completely on the client-side making it easy to find things as you are working and preserving line numbers. This obviously is not useful for a production build and there's a lot of work that would need to go in to support both modes over the same code, but it's depressing no tools really work like this for local development.

You can also do JSX and skip the build step with preact + htm : https://github.com/developit/htm#example

While I was able to achieve this fairly easily, the developer experience of manually stitching strings together wasnt great. Being myself a fan of buildless libraries, such as htm and lit-html, I figured I'd try to take a stab at implementing a DSL for component-like templating in Service Workers myself, called Service Worker Templating Language (SWTL), here's what it looks like:

I would however highly recommend https://github.com/developit/htm

I thought the same thing, but apparently "HTM" is a JSX like javascript string template representation of HTML, and it can be found here: https://github.com/developit/htm

If you're going to do a no-build approach, assume modern JS (so you don't have to transpile the JS syntax). Also, you can use https://github.com/developit/htm as a nearly-identical equivalent to JSX syntax, also without transpiling.

This seems like a case of caring way too much about something that's hardly very different. JSX versus tagged template strings can be incredibly similar to one another.

The examples in this article are using vanilla template strings to author raw html, but that only misses a couple of nicities JSX has. There are tagged template string libraries like htm[1] that do include some of the few nicities JSX has, but which are actually compatible with the official language.

[1] https://github.com/developit/htm

The first one exists in JavaScript and is called Tagged Template Literals. I agree with the author that its a nice feature. It's the perfect construct to use for prepared SQL statements, LINQ-style queries, or reimplementing a JSX-like syntax (see HTM https://github.com/developit/htm).

There is however a library that is closer to JSX (HTML-like feel) but yet does not require a build step. htm. HTM uses tagged templates to leverage template literal as native Javascript template strings. If you have not played with tagged templates, I encourage you to check this out, it's a quite powerful feature, that has recently become a part of Javascript.