scala-cli VS dotty

That has not much to do with the JVM. See Scala CLI[1] for instance, the developer experience is pretty similar to Cargo.

The thing is, with any non-trivial project, zero to hello world isn't a very useful metric. Gradle (and Maven, sbt, ...) do a lot more than Cargo, and their usage is primarily optimized for complex multi-modules projects.

[1] https://scala-cli.virtuslab.org

Scala CLI v1.0.5 was released. https://github.com/VirtusLab/scala-cli/releases/tag/v1.0.5 This includes:

The new official Scala build tool / compiler front end (scala-cli) is amazing,

https://scala-cli.virtuslab.org/

The thing that really struck me after years of python is how it lets you out dependencies directly in a comment on top of a script and it will download and run with them automatically, without poisoning any system settings. It's so simple!

sbt can indeed be a bit harsh for beginners. If your aim is not to build a big project, you might want to use scala-cli instead : no complex build script, only command line goodness to run, test, compile and package your code. Yes it supports dockerization. No need for a dockerfile.

Imo the tooling has to become way more user friendly. The Scala community has picked up on this and made Scala-CLI the official running tool for Scala. It's a great tool for single module projects and makes everything from adding dependencies to building fat jars very easy, also the runner comes as a native image. The reason I'm mentioning is because sometimes we forget how hard it can be as a beginner, especially when younger people are used to simpler CLIs from newer languages.

We even have a ticket for something similar right here. Feel free to upvote and/or comment on it.

Links: - https://dotty.epfl.ch/ - https://scala-native.org/en/stable/ - https://www.scala-js.org/ - https://typelevel.org/ - https://zio.dev/ - https://github.com/scala-native/scala-native/pull/3120 - https://github.com/lampepfl/dotty/pull/16517 - https://dotty.epfl.ch/docs/reference/experimental/index.html - https://scala-cli.virtuslab.org/ - https://scalameta.org/metals/ - https://docs.scala-lang.org/scala3/guides/migration/compatibility-intro.html - https://www.scala-lang.org/blog/2023/04/18/faster-scalajs-development-with-frontend-tooling.html - https://www.scala-lang.org/blog/2022/08/17/long-term-compatibility-plans.html

Code gens are not that far away: https://github.com/VirtusLab/scala-cli/issues/610

Check out Scala CLI as it will very soon be the one true and sanctioned way to get started.

Dotty? Was it still the name later?

http://dotty.epfl.ch/

I think this might be related to this issue.

You can look (and EPFL collect feedback) about EPFL implementation of async/await: https://github.com/lampepfl/async. Also you can look at dotty ticket about this: https://github.com/lampepfl/dotty/pull/16739

The reason I’m not currently an opaque type user as they do not play well with the tagless final style we use, though I am patiently awaiting some attention on my bug report: https://github.com/lampepfl/dotty/issues/17281

Links: - https://dotty.epfl.ch/ - https://scala-native.org/en/stable/ - https://www.scala-js.org/ - https://typelevel.org/ - https://zio.dev/ - https://github.com/scala-native/scala-native/pull/3120 - https://github.com/lampepfl/dotty/pull/16517 - https://dotty.epfl.ch/docs/reference/experimental/index.html - https://scala-cli.virtuslab.org/ - https://scalameta.org/metals/ - https://docs.scala-lang.org/scala3/guides/migration/compatibility-intro.html - https://www.scala-lang.org/blog/2023/04/18/faster-scalajs-development-with-frontend-tooling.html - https://www.scala-lang.org/blog/2022/08/17/long-term-compatibility-plans.html

Scala Native has much more control on how the Scala AST is compiled, and can easier workaround platform limitations, eg. lazy vals in Scala 3 required reflection config for Native Image (see this and that), while in Scala Native we could mitigate problems with unsupported usage inside in other ways within the compiler plugin.

By the way, you might be interested in this recent PR which overhauls the scala 3 macro docs: https://github.com/lampepfl/dotty/pull/17060.

For example, this issue (https://github.com/lampepfl/dotty/issues/12840) was blocking the migration, it was reported more than a year ago and the fix was finally released a month ago (https://github.com/lampepfl/dotty/releases/tag/3.3.0-RC2).

For the record, there is an implementation of :javap which is close to being done but might need a volunteer to get it over the finish line: https://github.com/lampepfl/dotty/pull/12210

im glad to tell you that in 3.3.0 a lot of these -Wunused lints will be supported: see https://github.com/lampepfl/dotty/pull/16157